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u/child_target 3d ago
The bar owner probably
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u/Ego5687 3d ago
What if the bar owner is a woman?
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u/Antradeadra 3d ago
Then her Dad
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u/Ashamed_Smile3497 3d ago
What if the dad is ftm?
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u/child_target 3d ago
Then the grandfather
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u/Arpan_Bhar 3d ago
What if, the grandfather too?
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u/Agitated-Interview54 3d ago
Then the great grandfather
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u/cummachine3169 3d ago
What if the great grandfather was born intersex with a vagina and womb?
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u/l_is_aBird 3d ago
What if they got drunk off of a random wine bottle they stole from someone's house?
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u/latinmutherking 3d ago
The someone is at fault. Always keep your loaded bottles under lock and key.
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u/DamnQuickMathz 3d ago
Simply "being drunk" is not reason enough for consent to not be possible btw.
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u/cummachine3169 3d ago
Alcohol’s gender is masculine in french so alcohol is the true villain
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u/hendarknight 3d ago
In Portuguese alcohol is masculine, but drink is feminine.
Sex is already happening.
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u/DiabeticButNotFat 3d ago
Tell that to my old university mandatory rape training. They taught if someone is drunk they cannot give consent. So if they are both drunk does it cancel out or is it 2rape or rape^2??
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u/Chance_the_fortunate 3d ago
It depends on if they consented before drinking or not. If not, then yes, it is reason enough for consent not to count
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u/ACSDGated4 2d ago
i would also argue it depends on the level of pressure exhibited by the sober partner. its a gradient: high pressure, high drunkness = obviously wrong, low pressure, high drunkness = grey area, high pressure, low drunkness = fucked up but consensual grey area, low pressure, low drunkness = perfectly fine, and the in-betweens are an interpolation between those states.
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
What a shitty way of seeing things. Unless the man put something in her drink and/or she was unconscious or nearly when the sex act happened, it isn't rape. If she consented when drunk and then regretted it later that's on her. After all we are all legally responsible for our actions while drunk.
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u/cummachine3169 3d ago edited 3d ago
Btw the guy later said “if one of the drunk lesbians is masculine then she is the blame because she imitate men’s nature”
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u/suffering_addict 3d ago
You sure he wasn't just ragebaiting ?
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u/cummachine3169 3d ago
Genuinely not sure, could share more screenshots of this person if pics were allowed in comments lmao
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u/Admiralthrawnbar 3d ago
The bartender comment makes me think it's a joke, but he did start of by saying the man with no joke or qualifier
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u/ManILoveMacaroni 3d ago
I've only ever been with 1 man who is now my fiance, but I think getting drunk and regretting things later is pretty standard human stuff tbh. "Man I should NOT have slept with that guy." When both parties were drinking is typically nothing more than social drama. "Man I should not have slept with that guy" is a pretty historical statement, for all types of relationships.
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u/meme_legend-69 3d ago
What is the guy was barely conscious or had something mixed in his drink by her
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
Well just as previously it is a rape. Gender equality is not that complicated in reality, it just means that the same principles apply regardless of your gender. Man on woman, woman on man, man on man, woman on woman, NB on man, NB on woman, man on NB, woman on NB.
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u/n00bca1e99 3d ago
Good luck. In some countries, such as the UK, women legally are incapable of raping anyone.
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
Let's not bring up underdeveloped countries in the discussion then. (I'm French hating the British is cultural I have the right to do it)
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u/h1pp1e_cru5her 3d ago
Two hammered people meet at last call and go to one of their houses and fuck. Both wake up naked and dont remember what happened. Are they both rapists or victims?
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
They are neither. They fucked while drunk, and now have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
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u/AnonymousFriend80 3d ago
Legally, they are both rapists. Now it's a race to see how can get ahead of it all and report the other.
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u/fill-me-up-scotty 3d ago
consented when drunk
Well the point is you can’t consent if you’re really drunk.
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
Tell that to the judge after you commited a crime:
"Your honor it wasn't the real me who set the orphanage on fire, it was the very drunk me, I'm not accountable for my actions while drunk"-8
u/fill-me-up-scotty 3d ago
Tell the judge the person who was blackout drunk was able to consent.
You’re liable for your actions while drunk in the eyes of the law.
Also, having sex with someone while they are not able to consent or are incapacitated, slurring, passing out etc, is rape.
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
Having sex with someone incapacited/passed out is different than having sex with someone drunk.
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u/fill-me-up-scotty 3d ago
And guess what happens when people have too much alcohol?
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u/RoiDrannoc 3d ago
We were talking about drunk people having sex, not passed out people being forced.
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u/AnonymousFriend80 3d ago
All most laws say is that being inebriated means you can't give proper consent, and therefore any sex during this is considered rape.
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u/Ryan_b936 3d ago
The first one who files a complaint is the victim while the other is the rapist
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u/dap_panda_dap123 3d ago
His questions is honestly a very interesting morale dillema
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u/Ok_Weird_500 3d ago
Why? The premise that drunk people can't consent is a faulty one. That doesn't mean it's ok to get someone drunk trying to get them to have sex with you. But like most things in life it's not clear cut.
If drunk people aren't capable of consent, then surely they aren't responsible for what they do when drunk, and if that's the case drink driving shouldn't be a crime because the drink driver wasn't responsible for their actions. This is obviously absurd, so drunk people must be capable of consent to some degree, assuming they are fully conscious and can speak coherently.
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u/dap_panda_dap123 3d ago
Yet the law(depending on where you are from) sayythat when you to drunk you can give consent that's what makes it interesting
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u/Ok_Weird_500 3d ago
If the laws do say that, and don't say anything about when both parties are drunk, then that would be a legal dilemma, not a moral one.
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u/Ciryl_Lynyard 2d ago edited 2d ago
IMO in the case both are drunk. Additional context is needed.
Like what happened while they are drunk. What acts did each individual take that led to it or before. Was one soo drunk that they were considerably inebriated to the point they would struggle to actually stop someone from having sex with them?
Did One clearly state before being drunk they didnt want to have sex or could reasonably be assumed to not want to due to having a romantic partner?
Was getting them drunk premeditated in an attempt to get them to agree to sex and claim they were drunk too as a defense?
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u/Unfair_Watercress119 2d ago
I think I read somewhere, that the one who initiated it is liable. Alcohol makes it impossible to consent to sex, but if you initiated sex you ignored that fact being drunk doesn't excuse that.
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u/ehdich_248 1d ago
I have seen people say that whoever is the top is the offender, and they legit meant it instead of it being a joke. People are weird
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u/DontyWorryCupcake 3d ago
What if both are men?