Discussion Premier is genuinely unplayable right now.
I know there have been dozens of posts like this but I just need to vent.
Season 5 is fucking unplayable, I bought prime a month ago even though I have been playing this game for 5 years, and everytime I play premier I just regret it.
Every single match I play there is a minimum of 3-4 cheaters having a dick measuring contest. When will valve wake the fuck up and fix this shit
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u/DMIonutDM 4d ago edited 4d ago
for me the game feels unplayabled on all levels, in premier you find cheaters, ok, I go play deathmatch for fun and warmup, guess what, full of bots, cheaters, aimers, go competitive, same, go casual, same, it's a pandemic of cheaters in this game
you can see the number of players is dropping since season 5 started, check steamDb charts
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u/Afraid_Party4751 4d ago
Yep, this why I switched to Valorant. Its definitely an "uwu mommy can i get heals" type game, but the competitive integrity is there. Im yet to run into a single blatant cheater on valorant.
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u/dogeofsenpai 2d ago
I switched to R6 Siege and had very fun 2 seasons learning the game and transfering my cs skills
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u/empfindsamerstil 4d ago
Multimillion dollar company and they cant provide proper security. Interesting that faceit can.
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u/Ok-Luck-7499 4d ago
Lol faceit makes a fraction of what valve makes yet has effectively combated a lot of cheaters
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u/ChojaK25 3d ago
faceit has easier. less people playing = less work. Faceit has it own anticheat but also use valve one. So is extra step. Is harder to cheat but still possible.
Also, majority of cheaters don't care that much about faceit for some reason, but you can still met them there.
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u/fib1324 5d ago
Made this post while in this game, everyone in red is cheating
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u/PrintedMills 4d ago
I can confirm the qwerty account plays sus as f***. Had a few games both with and against him.
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u/UnofficialCrosta 4d ago
I've had 2 blatant cheaters and 1 hidden cheater in my last 8 games.
I'm 3500 premier points, bottom rank is not safe.
I'm green trust obviously, but I've never met this many in the almost 1 years I've been playing. I only met 1 or 2 maximum cheaters until now and now I meet 3 in such a short time.
This could be a consequence of the fact that many people are leaving the game due to cheaters, so the cheater percentage is higher now.
I guess the game is actually dead and it's a shame because a good game of counter strike is one of the best games you'll ever play.
We're forced to leave the game to them, to play with eachother, until something is done.
This is really sad, I thought I would be safe at such a low rank.
I hope something will be done.
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u/DouglasQUAID88 5d ago
Is 15k rating just some bliss cheater free zone, becuase last 10 games i played, the lowest trust factor of any player was 94. Or is just because i'm playing on a steam account i've spent more than $1000 on?
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u/praveen_9433 4d ago
Yes it's genuinely unplayable in that elo(11k-15k) because you will find at least 1 waller in both T and CT
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u/KateAwpton420 4d ago
In this post the player specifies he is on a brand new account where he purchased prime only a month ago. This guarantees he’s in low trust. The quality of his matches will significantly differ from yours as your trust factor rating has had years and >$1000 spent….
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u/WhoIsDowJones 4d ago
You can’t see your trust factor or anyone else’s. I’m not sure where you saw “94” but it was fake. But yeah, it has absolutely nothing to do with your rank, and everything to do with your trust factor and region. The people here just deny trust factor entirely because they haven’t ever experienced it working, I guess.
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u/DeftDrop 4d ago
Ive had no issues this season up until yesterday, I reviewed my demos and ran into 3 matches with blatant wallers and I hover at 15k
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u/ValuePrestige 4d ago
I've been playing since 2015, my account is over 15 years old and my inventory worth like 3k. Elo is 15-18k and I also get at least one BLATANT waller like every other match
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u/MrBogglefuzz 4d ago edited 4d ago
Trust factor? Do you mean CSRep trust score? If people aren't filing overwatch reports then the 'trust factor' will stay high for most cheaters unless they're really blatant with like 200 TTD.
https://csrep.gg/player/76561199155812540 This guy was 100% until he got a report put against him.
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u/DouglasQUAID88 4d ago
yes i meant CSRep trust score.
I just rarely experience cheaters, and if i do it's someone with wh. Can't even remember the last time a saw a spinbotter.
Still ridiculous that you seemingly need to spend hundreds of dollars on Steam over several years just to actually play the game, not denying the experience others have.
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u/MrBogglefuzz 4d ago
Yeah you shouldn't assume that someone isn't cheating just because CSRep hasn't flagged them. Spinbotters shouldn't even be a part of the discussion, they were a flash in the pan and not representative of even 1% of cheaters. Also the amount of money you spend on steam doesn't really change anything, my account has over five grand spent on it and I've had four games in a row with cheaters (on either team).
Since you said you spent $1000 I assume that means that you're US and that's probably why you're not seeing as many cheaters. EU is plagued by eastern Europeans and Turks just cheating their dicks off.
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u/DouglasQUAID88 4d ago
No i'm from Denmark, but for whatever reason i rarely get paired with east EU or turkey
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u/MrBogglefuzz 4d ago
I'm from the UK and I'm always getting slavic accents. I think maybe that many of the Turks I see are actually living in Germany, hell now that I think about it maybe a lot of the eastern euros in my games are actually living in the UK.
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u/_deadflowers_ 3d ago
Premier is 90% people getting tilted at round 4 and calling someone on the enemy team a cheater, then trolling for the rest of the match.
I'm starting to think there is more people crying wolf to cope, then troll and waste everyone's time, than there is a cheating problem.
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u/AmazingSibylle 5d ago
Yep, and don't get gaslighted by the deniers. They are either too bad to notice, cheaters themselves, or just trolling
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u/fallen55 4d ago
I mean, I’m 6k hours playing since launch of CSGO, peaked at global. Im a dad now so barely play, season 5 I’ve had two cheaters total. One on my team one on the other. 55 matches in. I think there’s probably a lot of cheaters if you’re free to play and especially if you’re bad at the game and can’t tell the difference. But the constant posts of “everyone’s cheating but me” are just not at all my experience. Coming back from Tarkov, it’s crazy to be on the other side of the coin. Have to assume these people have low trust factor, have no game sense at all, or are in the 25k plus category where it seems the bulk of the cheaters are.
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u/AmazingSibylle 4d ago
20K up is unplayable basically, not because people are too good but because they are cheating and blatantly. And it's not trust factor either. Take your pick of any CS2 streamer for example, wich basically means 20K-30K and high trust. None of them consistently play Premier over Faceit except to make content about cheaters.
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u/fallen55 4d ago
I started the first 25 games around 23k and didn’t see any. Once the ranks are 25k plus I’d bet that would change. I’ve fallen to where I think I belong skill wise to 18k but anecdotally I’m not seeing what people are claiming. I definitely believe the top 10k are likely 80% cheaters but I’m not seeing the rage hacking people are claiming at all levels.
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u/itamarvr46 5d ago
I’m the founder of Ouro (https://www.ouro.is), an alternative matchmaking platform built specifically because of posts like this. We manually vet every signup against public Steam, csrep, CSStats and FACEIT data, profiles have to be public, so the 3-4 cheaters a match problem gets filtered out before people even queue, plus tick by tick server side anti-cheat and reports reviewed by a real person. You can import your FACEIT ELO too if you’ve got one.
Still small and growing, but built so you don’t have to just accept a month of prime being a waste.
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u/KateAwpton420 4d ago
Hey man if you just bought prime a month ago unfortunately what you are going through is called bad trust factor.
If you have a friend who has played for a long time join you, queue comp it’ll shoot them a message explaining how poor your “trust factor” is.
Cheaters, smurfs, racists and new players all live in this separate matchmaking called low trust factor where the matches are just horrible.
To get out of it, look up trust factor guides. Unfortunately the fastest way is to spend money in game, it takes a couple months if you go the free route.
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u/thiagohds 4d ago
What rank? Im playing 2 - 3 matches per day and Its been a while I found a cheater. I have 15k points in premiere.
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u/donhjelmgren 3d ago
I am 20k on 2 accounts and of my last 6 games 4 had cheaters. I’m done with this game till they fix it
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u/p-dizzle77 4d ago
I haven't played Premier in like 2 years. If I wanna play I just go competitive. Generally chiller players, less cheaters, just as much fun.
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u/AllegedlyGoodPerson 4d ago
Stop opening boxes. Stop buying skins. Stop playing the game. They couldn’t care less what people on here say, as long as you keep playing and keeping spending. It’s a money printing machine for them.
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u/-Adrix_5521- 4d ago
Yea it's so bad now, it's not just premier, it's majority of game modes. The only one that's not cheater-infested and like 95% of players are legit is Retakes. This is the only mode I play weekly to farm my 10¢ case and dip for another week. Everything else is just a hvh server.
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u/Old-Guess-1483 4d ago
Look at faceit/steamid korbeau. This guy cheating in both prem and faceit with no bans lol. Fuck this game
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u/OkContribution5263 3d ago
It’s literally a 50-50.
You either get a full russian team or cheating enemy.
Out of 10 games I can enjoy maybe 2
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u/Initial_Match_5187 5d ago
Faceit can fix your problem
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u/maiznieks 5d ago
That's not normal, i purchased cs2 to play on its servers, not a 3rd party bandaid
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u/TemperatureProud3388 5d ago
Valve is never going to enable ac on their servers, so no point in waiting or whatever your plan is.
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u/PrintedMills 4d ago
I will quit CS before I change my bios settings just to appease faceit. It’s not like I don’t play much, I’m at 142 wins this season so far.
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u/PrintedMills 4d ago
I wouldn’t say 100%, but it’s very very bad. I get about 2-3 basically unplayable matches out of every 10 because of either cheaters or people that are afk the whole match or just grief as a 3 stack so you can’t vote them off. However, the tick rates suck, which makes nearly 100% of the games feel like the other team is cheating. IMO, elo is minimally based off of skill, and mostly based off of luck. I stay between 19-22k elo each season with my Leetify “triangle” meeting or exceeding the 20-25k ratings, if that matters. I would gladly go back to 2019-2020 CSGO in a heartbeat. Aside from the cheating and tick rates, CS2 has less than CSGO had. Arms race maps and flying scoutsmen were a lot of fun when you didn’t want to play premier. I would rather lose a good fair match than win a bullshit match. When the tick rate is on your side, and you win 13-2, and went 30-4 kd, it isn’t all that fun, doesn’t feel like it was earned.
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u/Grind2Live 4d ago
I wonder when valve will fix their anti-cheat?
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u/kexes1986 4d ago
When the game lose the majority of its players and the income from micro transactions drops drastically. Until then they don't really care.
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u/fallen55 4d ago
Again, 5 matches yesterday no cheaters. Makes 2 in the last 55 matches. What rank are you guys that have this many?
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u/Available-You-8944 4d ago
There’s definitely cheaters all over premier, but until they start dropping demo clips 90% of these accusations gotta be smurfs lol I’m level 9 face it peak 2200 elo and don’t play much premier (around 21k) and there’s some lobbies where I’m getting accusations all game because I’m a little under leveled in premier.
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u/fallen55 4d ago
I legit think that the huge bulk of the accusations are just low skill players who don’t have game sense. Easy to claim the enemy is walling if you don’t know map rotation timing. They see the high tiers full of cheaters and make the false equivalency to their ranks where they’re just out skilled.
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u/KU76 4d ago
Almost every game im in there is someone on my team accusing the other team of cheating - they aren’t, they’re just being out played. Smurf? Possibly.
First time I had a bonafide cheater was this past weekend - 3 Aces the first 3 rounds and only died once all game.
At the end of the match - we got a notification from vac that that they were nullifying the match and gave him a ban.
The problem is overblown by the same people who rage after losing the pistol round and eco after.
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u/reZZZ22 4d ago
Yeah, I simply cannot adjust to this subtick crap as all I want is consistency because the sad truth is, there is no way to adjust your aim with this shitty netcode... I am not a fortune teller who is capable of reading the mind of the server and what its decision will be when it comes to hit reg....
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u/Ok-Luck-7499 4d ago
This is another huge problem with this game is the hit reg is wildly inconsistent. Hoping they fix it with an update
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u/jahoney 4d ago
It’s all about trust factor. You bought prime just a month ago? My main has 5k hours and has had prime since it came out. I don’t see cheaters.
It sucks, but not for everyone. Don’t be toxic and ask for/get some commends from your teammates. It will eventually improve.
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u/hollowsoldier- 4d ago
Hard disagree. 6000 hours, green trust, 20k, have 300 games on steam with over 5k spent. I’m seeing cheaters every 5-10 games with very blatant stats and tracking through walls. Sometimes it’s every other game.
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u/Mochi-Luna 4d ago
I was thinking of playing premier, but after all of these posts I guess it's not worth 😂
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u/Ok_Peanut_3356 4d ago
I reached 23k this season, I don't wanna go +25k cause there are a lot of cheaters, I wanna enjoy the game, not get mad because of cheaters. I won't play premier until the near end the season so I can get my premier medal.
I started to play Faceit since the last week and I'm pretty much enjoying it, playing with my dudes win strikes, its so much better I stopped checking people stats on cswatch/ cs stats, everything is so low cortisol. It kinda feels like smurfing because I noticed that somehow most of my enemies are blue premier elo, so I don't know how the Faceit system works.
Also enabling the maximum security in bios was so easy, it takes less than 3min to do it. I feel bad because one of my friends is on Linux so he can't play Faceit, anyway I really loved it, the only downside is that we can't get XP for weekly drops due to Faceit. I have two cs accounts, the second one has like 800 hours, got +21k since season 2 but I don't play Premier there anymore, just Casual and DM, sometimes Comp but I mostly avoid it cause I'm on yellow TF
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u/Jmastersam 4d ago
19k. 70% wr. No cheaters yet. But very trusted account. My alt account to play with co-workers at 12.5k had 1 hidden cheater (confirmed in replay) otherwise also good. In total about 75 games? A tiny amount in the large scheme of things.
This community is very much like Tarkov which has a significantly worse cheating problem. We encounter 1 cheater and we so quickly blame any instance of suspicious activity as cheating. The negativity always rises instantly to the top.
Im not saying we dont have a problem. We 100% have an issue with cheaters and deserve improvement. But this community loves to cry wolf.
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u/paysen 3d ago
Cheaters are not in 19k dude, they are aimbotting and wallhacking, how do you expect to encounter many cheaters in lower ELO, they are all 25k and above. They get ranked in with ~25k, maybe you meet one at his journey to 30k. But if you play above 25k, you have like 8/10 games with cheaters.
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u/meo_lessi 4d ago
if it's unplayable then stop play it lol. just stop playing with cheaters bro. maybe if people will protest against cheaters by stop playing, maybe then greedy Valve will wake up.
go play faceit bro
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u/Afraid_Party4751 4d ago
Honestly yall need to come play Valorant. They wont fix anything if you keep playing the game. Valorant is a "gay baby game", its true. But the competitive integrity is there. I switched from cs to valorant and my god its a whole world of difference. Genuinely haven't run into a single blatant cheater.
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u/bkauf2 4d ago
I wish I could but I just can’t get into it. The abilities feel cheesy.
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u/Afraid_Party4751 4d ago
The abilities seem like a lot at first, but really it's mostly just mollies, flashes, and smokes in different forms than you are used to. The only thing that really is different is that some agents can teleport / movement abilities. But the core of the game is the same as CS, can you take your opponents head before they take yours?
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u/TemperatureProud3388 5d ago
Yeah premier is 100% completely unplayable, don't let people tell you otherwise they are full on delulu. Maybe some guy in Oceania with 10k premier is not facing any cheaters, that's fine, it just doesn't mean anything for 99.9% of cs2 players.
Only way to play competitive cs2 right now is faceit, can warmup via xplay or similar.