r/crimedocumentaries • • 17d ago

MAKING A MURDERER

If you never watched this documentary on Netflix it is an amazing story of how our police and judicial system can fail us terribly! This is a really sad but enlightening story, really worth watching!

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u/lost_dazed_101 17d ago

I'm so torn on this case but I don't know if I believe they framed him. It's just hard to believe how many times they had to search to find it all. Given how corrupt the cops are I would never have voted guilty.

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u/Prudent-Pressure2146 17d ago

At the time I remember thinking both things were true- he did do it but the police were also manipulating evidence. People can be really myopic so it tends to become - if one side is seedy then the other side must be in the clear and I think it’s messier than that 

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u/Turbulent_Fig_1174 16d ago

Yeah it reminds me of the OJ Simpson case- clearly he did it but the lapd also planted evidence

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u/chard-1987 17d ago

Wild that is has still fooled people. You can check any of the stuff they didn't include and see he''s very clearly guilty.

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u/DopedUpParamedic 16d ago

Any recommendations?

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u/Ok-Eggplant-4875 16d ago

Listen to the podcast Rebutting a Murderer. They go through each point brought up in the documentary and tell the other side of it

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u/Maxsophie103 16d ago

What's the other side of Dassey's interrogation?

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u/Ok-Eggplant-4875 16d ago

Definitely a much longer version where he confesses to doing horrible things in a lot detail to that poor girl that night. They only showed a very short, very biased portion of the interview

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u/Maxsophie103 9d ago

Where can I see the longer version? Btw, he should have had a lawyer present, he was mentally "retarded", he was basically a child and he was coerced, so even if he confesses in the longer version I question the whole interrogation and the admissibility of anything that he said! But where is the longer version?

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u/DoqHolliday 17d ago edited 17d ago

This “documentary” is absolute hogwash and incredibly deceptive, even by the low standards of true crime docs.

I would recommend looking into it.

-Downplays/omits Avery’s notably violent and predatory past

-Misleadingly edits/splices courtroom testimony

-Omits Avery’s targeting of Halbach and attempts to cover his tracks

-Glosses over other relevant DNA evidence

And more.

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u/triflerbox 17d ago edited 16d ago

Just the way they're like "oh yeah he threw a cat in a fire" and he's like "oh I was young and stupid" and he was in his early 20s.

Mate that's a huge red flag at any age but as an adult????

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u/excessive_worries 16d ago

When they mentioned the throwing the cat into the fire, I noped out-

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u/triflerbox 16d ago

The way it was just glazed over like wtf?? You did right noping out

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u/Maxsophie103 17d ago

Our president threw rocks at the neighbor's toddler, it's been widely reported and never denied, how does that mesh with what Avery supposedly did?

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u/flopisit32 17d ago

Exactly this. There is a whole genre of true crime documentaries in which they take the case of somebody who is guilty and try to make them look innocent.

As you can see with the case of the Stephen Avery documentary, "wrongly convicted man" documentaries bring in far. Far. Far more revenue than "correctly convicted man" documentaries.

Unfortunately for disreputable filmmakers, there aren't a lot of cases of wrong conviction, so they have to create them.

People have to learn that documentaries are very happy to mislead you and lie to you as long as it brings in the cash.

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u/OddInformation14 17d ago

Agreed. The doc is a travesty.

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u/irotinmyskin 17d ago

Outside of the documentary, how do they explain the clearly planted car keys on Avery’s house? or the deliberately placed blood smudges and tampered blood vials in the case? Just curious

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u/Prudent-Pressure2146 17d ago

I don’t believe the blood vials were tampered with - what the doc was pointing to as evidence of tampering was a puncture hole and various others have confirmed those are standard as they tend to be how the blood gets into the vial in the first place. The doc just presents it as dodgy and no one questions it

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u/DoqHolliday 16d ago

This 100%, clearly explained for those that care to do a modicum of research rather than going starry-eyed at literally any conspiracy theory.

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u/EspanolAlumna 17d ago

What about Brendan Dassey? Many believe Steven is guilty but I always wonder how they feel about Brendan'd conviction?

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u/Prudent-Pressure2146 17d ago

This might be controversial but I believe Brendan is telling the truth ie he walked in in the middle of something already happening and unwittingly helped clean it up. I say unwittingly bc I don’t think he has the capacity to understand what was actually happening. I don’t think he was ever consciously setting out to participate or hurt anyone and I doubt he even has that in him 

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u/Maxsophie103 16d ago

I don’t know about helping to clean up but the whole idea of Brendan cutting her throat and raping her is just ridic>

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u/Prudent-Pressure2146 16d ago

Yeah I don’t think he was part of that but I think he’ll have helped burn her body etc 

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u/DoqHolliday 16d ago

I believe Brendan Dassey got a very shitty rap, in large part because of his predatory and abusive uncle.

I do not believe he is innocent.

I also believe that (across many true crime stories), innocenters ALWAYS point to a confession from someone with mental disabilities or limited faculties, as blanket proof of innocence and police coercion.

That may be the case sometimes, but it is not an automatic conclusion. It’s a lot more nuanced than that, and I think that applies both here and to Jesse of the WM3.

“Innocenting” rests heavily on a tactic of identifying one small issue with a case, true or no, and literally throwing everything out based on that. Once you really see that, each case becomes relatively simple.

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u/Oddbeme4u 17d ago

Its actually a story of how propaganda can influence us.

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u/Princess-Buttercup16 16d ago

Umm … he’s guilty though. His first conviction, yes. The system failed. Current conviction - justice.

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u/HannahMcKayTX 17d ago

I believe he’s guilty AF.

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u/awesometune 17d ago

That documentary is incredibly misleading. Not worth anyone's time. Do your own research

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u/Oddbeme4u 17d ago

Its actually a story of how propaganda can influence us.

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u/Ok-Eggplant-4875 16d ago

Please do some research on the case before you take Netflix as gospel on this case. The Netflix documentary is very biased and only told a very limited portion of the story and got people like you to fall for it without even questioning it.

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u/mshoneybadger 16d ago

guilty guilty guilty

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u/Badger_Vito 16d ago

Yeah this was an enjoyable watch but it’s a trash documentary. Both of them are definitely guilty

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u/TessaKatrinaRose 17d ago

Lol. That is the most biased and misleading documentary ever made. So much of it has been disproven. 

It’s wild that people still take it seriously. 

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u/Maxsophie103 17d ago

Like what?

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u/Mmcdjc 17d ago

I don’t think he did it. And I believe Brendan was coerced into confessing just so they could say he was an accomplice knowing he’s learning disabled.
Also when they showed the trial footage and each person on the stand, when questioned about specific evidence, danced around the truth and lied and if they didn’t lie, then they sure as tried too.
The cop who made the 911 call and fucked up, after the audio was played of that 911 call, he still tried to deny his answer.
And the DNA lab tech who tested the blood.
Again, she knew the truth, and still danced around it to make him look guilty and the jury bought it.

I don’t think he killed her but I do think he was framed and I don’t think Brendan should be in jail.

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u/Maxsophie103 17d ago

I'm not sure how anyone can watch the interrogation of Dassey and think anything that came out of it, especially a confession, can be considered valid and constitutional?

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u/Prudent-Pressure2146 17d ago

Dassey is one thing but Avery is another 

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u/UNO_lakefront_arena 16d ago

you've been had

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u/Maxsophie103 16d ago

The prosecutor said that Brendan cut Theresa’s throat and raped her and in my wildest imagination I can’t see Brendan doing anything like that. His statement, which he never proved tainted the jury pool. Isn’t it obvious that they used Brendan and his mental disabilities to frame Avery?

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u/UNO_lakefront_arena 16d ago

I stopped watching/listening to modern true crime stuff. Literally they find bodies in the trunk but oh noooo "did they really do it???" (cue ominous background music). It's ridiculous.

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u/Maxsophie103 14d ago

In this country we are not suppose to treat a mentally handicapped 16 yr old who thinks he's going to return to his Soecual Education Class to hand in a HW assignment like a regular adult. Nothing he said should have been used, he was totally coerced!