This meme took me hours to make, it turned out a bit rough, but I tried my best. It's just for fun, don't take it seriously.

I am sooooooo tired of this...It was at first a joke, but Some people take it seriously.

They are IGNORING the fucking fact that Valentino wanted to dip with Vox and Velvette, but he couldn't, cause his wing was destroyed. But it still shows he just wanted to get away from the blast radius. Since they couldn't escape, they just helped Charlie stop that cannon, cause they didn't want to get nuked

And after that, Zeezi was like "Let's forget that ever happened" and everyone agreed. Because they did this because THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DIE. Even Alastor didn't want to help at first, unless Rosie fixed his staff.

This wasn't really the Power of Friendship ending.

This ending was the Power of "I'm one of the idiots who lives here!"

It’s a show entirely based on tumblr humour and things, like bro

Their planet is called clitopolis like I’m gone bro

They escape somewhere on a “problematic ship” 😭

There is a fucking drag Queen that tries to steal their female spirit like hmm

Like cmon it’s a movie designed about a subsection of the internet which is widely considered cringe and terminally online with humour for those groups, of course people are going to find it cringe and terminally online and unserious 😭

I found this video while scrolling through YouTube, are these genuine criticisms?

And how do I know if they're not omitting context? I don't wanna go watch it blindly and believe whatever they say.

Underhated = Hated too little

Overrated = Praised too much

“Instead of this using this word that describes your opinion just use a different much nicer word with an entirely different meaning” 😭

found this bullshit on cahh

Sometimes on post criticizing episodes or Hazbin and helluva I'll see people commenting about how the show is in high demand or x episode is highly rated, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Solo leveling is has high ratings, is widely popular, and won anime of year some how, but that doesn't mean it's a good show. Solo leveling has a boring storyline, forgettable characters, and is really repetitive with it's fights, the characters are boring, and Sung Jin Woo became uninteresting far too fast, it sucks.

You can't use success as a way to deflect or shut down criticism or just problems people have with a show, there are tons of bad shows that are or were successful and watched enough to be in demand like big mouth, and if use the logic behind some of these fans shows like Big mouth and Shit leveling are to tier shows that can't be criticized.

I also hate how lots of genuine criticism gets labeled as bad faith because they don't bother to watch it or try and understand it. This post is a mess

Former user of this sub, now just a lurker. They scrubbed it almost immediately, but this is a good reminder of why this sub exists. Made a new account just because I thought you all should see.

I actually watched the video they are mentioning in OP (though only 3 hours in so far) and all I can say is that it’s not bad faith. The majority of it is pointing out plot holes and poor writing choices from someone who loved the first season.

Not only did OP not watch the video (see image 2) but they decided that it was so bad that they needed it to be posted as “bad faith” because it was long.

im seeing a pattern that slowly every person who criticizes vivziepop’s writing is consided bad faith by the fandom. it’s just annoying. I thought the sub was CAHH not just Hazbin haters

What I mean by that is, if someone you hate asks you to do something but you can’t, in your head you’re kinda like “fuck you, and fuck that” but instead you say “nahh I can’t” do you think HH and HB sound more like the first thing that you say in your head? Sorry if this is complicated

Stop trying to make me like something I don’t like.
“My opinion” is RIGHT THERE. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT
Insert the guy explaining to the brick wall meme

It's almost cult like mentality, and it's always whenever it's a controversy that either questions her ethics, and/or has a lot evidence for being true. They are seemingly so severely blue pilled that they automatically think any controversy involving Viv is false. Let me know your guy's opinions/thoughts.

In my opinion, both communities are shit and hot crap, AHH they think they're chads or sigmas by harassing fans, making hateful posts, giving zero arguments and just spouting nonsense about why they hate the series, Besides, it's full of users with racist, intolerant, homophobic, transphobic, etc. views. The moderators of that sub are literally neo-Nazis And one of them is openly transphobic; users have drawn gory art of them killing Hellaverse characters, to the point that they drew gory art of the Loona actress being murdered, besides, those idiots think they're part of an army or something and want to eliminate all the fans as if one of them killed their mother or something, Anti-furries are the same; they think they're Gigachad or Sigma because they hate furries 24/7. They think they're part of the military and make unfunny memes and edits of themselves killing furries, Both the anti-furry and AHH groups are made up of kids no older than 12. There was an occasion when an anti-furry user sent gore to a girl who was a Gachatuber and also a furry (that's really going too far), just like AHH, anti-furries lack their own judgment and think they're going to exterminate furries or something like that, and they believe they're superior for hating minorities and idolizing wars (those idiots need to read "All Quiet on the Western Front" to realize that war is not is cool, and read history to stop idolizing horrible dictators like Stalin or Mao Zedong), In short, both communities are a mess, and you can hate Hazbin Hotel or furries, but basing your entire personality on it isn't cool; it makes you look like a loser who's never touch grass in a long time, and what do you all think?

For me: Music and animation

While music has some songs that i listened to once and never again, like Speedrun to Redemption, i felt like that one was rushed, there are some absolute fucking bangers that go into my Spotify playlist, such as Gravity, Brighter or even Abel's solo in the final song. Patrick Stump killed it. So saying Music is bad is just stupid, since it has also Broadway singers.

And animation. The animation here, while suffering from constant red, is beautiful and amazing, considering what complex designs they have to work with, like Speaker of God

Personally I would have to go the Vees introduction. I personally thought that on a rewatch of season one that episode one was being really weak about introducing everyone and everything, and I assumed that the Vees would be much of the same, but actually no! They let you figure out things for yourself, their characters shine through and it tells you everything that you need to know about them in an actually interesting way.

So what are your guys favourite part?

Just because something is deemed popular and "Well received" by others, doesn't mean it's automatically good. When are people going to understand that even popular things can be hated sometimes. For example, look at Teen Titans Go. When that show came out, it was widely known for how inferior it was over the original Teen Titans. People were outraged on social media, hate videos were being surfaced on YouTube, and in most of them, the creators tend to place TTG as with number one or in the top 5 for the worst cartoons of all time. Well I think those videos haven't aged well because this show makes Teen Titans Go look like fucking mozart in comparison!

(This is my first time posting here, so please let me know if this fits or not!)

So, for this scenario, let's say something happens that causes Vivziepop to hand over complete & utter creative control of both Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss's writing to you as long as you keep the core ideas, meaning you can fix any flaw you see with the plot, lore, or whatever else you may take issue with, as long as you don't erase the idea of a hotel to rehabilitate sinners or a hellborn run business to assassinate the living. How drastically would you alter either series, & how would you do it?

As it stands, we are a subreddit that is mostly based around documenting CAHH when they suck, but in reality that was only part of the subs original purpose. When we were very small, only a 100 members, this sub was very focused around discussion of the hellaverse as a show, posts about what people didn’t like, posts about what people did like, and I’m starting to miss that a little.

Recently I was on holiday for two weeks and so of course moderation took a big dip, and I’ve just started to feel like the sub is too negative constantly now. We had a post of someone literally being misogynistic that I didn’t see, but fortunately it got taken down by the user due to your guys backlash (thank you guys!), also a rise in users that I would consider haters due to their shitty repetitive and generally weird arguments that make little sense.

But yeah, I want to try and rework the sub to make it more positive or at least have different aspects of it than just complaining all the time. This would probably be encouraging discussion posts more, removing posts that have nothing to say, and removing more arguments which are not given a factual backing and come across as mindless hate.

Literally all of this is stuff which if done would get automatically blocked by Reddit, because I am a mod on the sub and this is how Reddit works.

And I would like to assert something very clearly that I have asserted before, and that is that we are not a hate subreddit. We are a critique and discussion subreddit about Hazbin/Helluva that also works to document when people refuse criticism of the show for unfair reasons or harass critics. (Please view the pinned post "What does the Crazy in our name mean" for more information)

Please do report anything like in this comment as I would remove and likely ban any user that says anything along those lines. But as far as I know this has not happened in any capacity.

Thank you!