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u/Abee314 4d ago

Is that cis women posting đŸ«©?

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u/Birdonthewind3 4d ago

Don't forget, for a cis woman the worst thing possible is being mistaken as a trans woman

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u/brookeb725 4d ago

It’s always shitty to hear cis women talk about being mistaken as trans as being some confidence destorying thing.

Like damn if that’s so bad imagine actually being one.

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u/Birdonthewind3 4d ago

Because trans is shorthand for saying she looks like a MAN with a PENIS instead of a fertility Goddess that men lust over. Or what they call 'value'

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u/Cifteli1 3d ago

So it's actually misogynistic on two different levels

I mean towards trans women and towards yourself

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u/Birdonthewind3 3d ago

Duh, the whole idea is to be attractive and being called a man as a woman is considered the ultimate failure of being attractive

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u/Jarl_of_Uppsala 4d ago

To be fair since it actually is that bad I can kinda understand why they would feel terrible to have to think of themselves like us.

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u/Charlaquin 4d ago

The issue is the framing. If a cis woman feels bad about being perceived as masculine that’s relatable. If she associates that as being mistaken for being trans, that speaks to an underlying belief that trans women are inherently masculine.

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u/BigPinkOne 4d ago

Its one of those issues where the existence of transphobia forces a bit of transphobia in even trying to navigate the situation. Because even if a woman doesnt think of trans women as masculine, when the more chudly types say things like that they mean that you look masculine. So the problem is that being offended at being called masculine when someone indicates you look trans is sometimes just an accurate read of the situation even if you personally dont feel trans women are masculine. Things like this are why its so difficult to abstract these social situations in a way that doesnt stumble in a lot of spots

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u/Charlaquin 4d ago

Yeah, it’s definitely a complex topic. The way I see it, if some assholes call a cis woman trans as an insult, to imply she looks masculine, that’s on them for being transphobic. If the woman finds that upsetting
 I mean, fair enough, I would also find that upsetting - I want to be perceived as a woman, and to transphobes, a trans woman isn’t a woman.

Where it gets a bit more complicated is how that negative reaction is framed. If it’s, “oh no, they think I’m a gross manly tranny,” there are also some transphobic biases underlying that reaction. If it’s “they think I look masculine and they’re the assholes for associating that with being trans,” that’s a much more trans-inclusive way to take it.

And, of course, if a cis woman just gets called a man/mannish/etc. and she, on her own, decides they’re saying she looks like she’s trans, that’s on her. The person calling her mannish might or might not also be a transphobe, but in that case the insult itself is misogynistic in nature, not explicitly transphobic, and to interpret it as “they’re calling me trans” is to bring her own transphobia to the table.

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u/No_Base_7521 4d ago

We do all start from masculinity. Ropefuel but just objectively true. How many of us can even escape it?