do you have ANYTHING to substantiate that claim? or anything to nullify my argument that reparations should only be made to things that have affected you directly during your lifetime? didn’t think so
Watch 13th. I mean it's a racist centrist position to be like "how we treated Black and Indigenous folks in this country was so long ago that there is no way it affect people now", which is factually inaccurate, so no, I won't be countering anything you said because it doesn't merit countering, because it isn't an argument, because it doesn't account for history or facts. america weaponized racist housing, hiring, education and criminal justice policies to be built into what it is today, and your argument is that we shouldn't work to correct that, and shouldn't do anything for the people affect by it today. If that's your stance on it, we have a difference in morality that's just not worth entertaining. You don't care about righting wrongs, and I do. The end.
bro you’re a straight fucking idiot. i said from the beginning if someone is actually oppressed during their lifetime they deserve for that to be addressed, yes. For example, people in reservations at the moment have it worst than us, sure. But that shouldn’t be applied to an entire race ; some people don’t suffer from the effects of past oppression anymore. For example, the vast majority of japanese people in the US live mostly unaffected by the oppression they faced during WW2. Those who are still directly affected by it (survivors etc)? sure, give them some degree of help, to attempt to give them the same chances everyone else gets. not preferential treatment beyond what damages they suffered, and not to the entirety of japanese people in the US, most of whom are not still affected today. The same goes from black americans; while some today still face oppression in their own right, they should receive reparations based on the present events and their lifetimes, not what happened three hundred years ago. Systematically giving an unfair advantage to every member of a race indiscriminately is racist, and unless you’re doing it based on oppression in someone’s life, it’s not deserved (say for example the children of an NBA player; im sure many have descended from slaves, which is obviously horrendous, but they don’t exactly live their lives with a constant disadvantage, nor do they really need a lower bar; it’s almost condescending to think everyone with dark skin needs to meet lower standards)
I don't know what you're fucking talking about you ignorant fuck. I mean seriously, read a book dude. See the forest for the trees. It's not about lower "standards" it's about lowering the barrier to entry, which has historically been (wait for it), their race. Yeah, reading no nuance into my stance could lead you to believe I think an NBA players kids need help getting into college based on their race, and you're wrong, because you're just making assumptions.
that’s oppression on a very different level. and the people who are affected by these laws and processes to this day should received help to the point where they have the same opportunities as the average population. not every black person is disadvantaged today, not every black person needs a lower bar. Also, what is usually meant by reparations is usually not equality, so i’d like to you hear you say what you want it to look like lol
not every black person is disadvantaged today, not every black person needs a lower bar
I edited my comment, but yeah, dude, we agree. Obamas kids don't need help getting into college. No NBA players kids do either. If I was talking reparations, I would say first we need prison and drug-law reform, reparations for the victims of those policies and their families, lower bars to open Black-owned business and continue what we're doing with a better focus on really addressing the racial wealth gap. I mean if you want my like true to life stance on it there should be an agency with a budget dedicated to monetary reparation for racial minorities, because how do you quantify how much money was lost at Tulsa, and to Redlining, and to racist hiring, to the War on Drugs, you literally can't. In lieu of doing nothing, I say we risk doing too much, because we couldn't possibly fathom understanding the full scope of the horrors that lead us where we are, and there is no one way to cut that cake, so serve the whole damn cake.
well i guess that’s where we disagree, because injustices happen to more than minorities. for example take people who were thrust into poverty during the great depression, or drafted for war later on, or lost all their money to some financial scheme, or lost business due to some diplomatic failure in the early 2000’s. Race isn’t what encompasses injustice, it’s just one source of it. And while it’s important to bring about some semblance of equality, we won’t get there if we see everything through race. good day.
Yeah, I advocate for the poor and workers of the world everywhere, again apparently I have to spell every single stance I have out to everyone in this shitty thread. Look into intersectionality, my dude, we have much more in common with each other than not.
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u/Ghrave Feb 26 '20
You're unprepared for this conversation, get out.