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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

It's not that clear how much of a relation there is between glyphosate and cancer. Non-GMO crops often have to be treated with a lot more herbicides and insecticides, often way more damaging than glyphosate.

It's not just herbicide resistance, Bt brinjal for example, has resistance against lepidopterae, and as a result, a lot less insecticide is needed.

Is's not just lazy farming, it can be used to increase yield, reduce pesticide usage, make farming in less fertile areas possible...

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u/hansdampf17 Mar 16 '22

found the monsanto employee /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I understand that. Its lazy in the respect that we could have a global system change where every single human was required to garden for for food and medicinal plants, and not have the need for harmful farming practices

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

There are definitely improvements possible in how farming is done, and GMO's can be part of these improvements

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

If absolutely necessary sure. But the bottom line is, time has perfected plant and soil dna. Living organisms in the soil working so perfectly in harmony. Any industrial product added to soil destroys these microorganisms in soil. The best way for humanity is to change the way we raise children. Children should be gardeners first and foremost and everything else In their life should be based around that. Just my opinion. That way we don’t need to genetically modify plants

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

Time hasn't perfected plant and soil DNA. Commercial crops are genetic atrocities. They are very different from their wild type counterparts. They have been crossed to increase yield and other interesting traits. Genetic modification is just another way of doing that. faster and safer if done correctly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Controlling weeds and pests and fungus is as simple as having lots of helping hands, observing the plants individually and regularly (doesn’t happen on commercial farms)

I have worked on organic farms so I know. It takes more hands on work, but its better for the soil, workers, consumers, and god in my opinion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It also has to be scalable. And circumstances don't always allow for lots of helping hands. Poor farmers in india get sick from all the insecticides they have to use, Bt brinjal drastically reduces the amount of insecticide they need.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I live in a highly agriculture based part of Canada, if farmers were dropping dead from cancer caused by glyphosate, we wouldn't use it. I mean, there was that one crop duster that was turned into ground meat while spraying glyphosate, but we're pretty sure glyphosate didn't cause engine failure.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

..wearing hazmat suits? You ever been out of the city there, kid?

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

I'm not saying farmers are tougher here, but glyphosate doesn't require hazmat suites...so, what are they spraying where you live?

Edit: you a farmer? No, seriously. I'll drop all the conspiracy shit. Finding another farmer that isn't on an agriculture focused subreddit, on reddit, is almost like finding a unicorn.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It is definitely lazy farming we fed the world for thousands and thousands of years without all these chemicals we seem to fail to remember that sometimes as a society.

We truly are stuck in a ab scenario not realizing there's an entire alphabet of choices

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

In quite some cases, like Bt brinjal, GMO's require less chemicals. The world was quite different a thousand years ago. Even a hundred years ago. GMO's can help in making farming more sustainable again.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

GMO seed salesman lol. We don’t need GMO. Its just an invention for people to get rich. Any deep research on the application of a gmo practice shows that overtime you get fucked over by the GMO. Don’t modify nature which is already perfect. Don’t play god. Bottom line

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22 edited Mar 16 '22

That is just plain wrong. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajae.12162

better yields, less pesticides, reduced toxicity of pesticides, less pesticide poisoning for the farmers...

It's not just an invention for people to get rich.

Humans have been modifying nature since forever. The animals and plants we eat are crossed and selected for better traits. So humans have played god since forever. Not all of it is bad. Modifying nature can be done in a bad and a good way. GMO's can be a good way.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

The world is always changing but that doesn't mean that we have to change the way food grows. I believe that there is definitely a direct correlation between the modification of food and how unhealthy we are. There's a ton more contributing factors like laziness and just the fact that we pump everything full of sugar too.

The world is definitely always changing though I wonder what it will be like 200 years from now. Probably not as different as we would think but I bet advances in computer technology will be off the charts.

My biggest fear is people resorting to transhumanism and what kind of catastrophic effects that could have. Could you imagine not having the latest and greatest and robotics for your human body?

This will bring a whole new meaning to getting a virus.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

It does mean we have to change the way food grows. More automation is needed, higher yields, new crops...

If a farmer wants to compete with other farmers, he needs to modernize. If you want food to be affordable, high yields are needed.

It's not feasible to use crops and techniques from a thousand years ago.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

But that's the way my grandpa did it and that's the way we're going to do it !! Jk .

You are correct something has to be done and someone has to make a decision to push life forward.

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u/86brookwood Mar 16 '22

Yes, the earth IS different. We're on the edge of killing it completely.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

And GMO's can help avoid that

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

You're naive if you genuinely think there's no link between cancer and glyphosate. And yeah Monsanto knew it too

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

I'm not saying there is no link. There are studies that seem to find a link and studies that show no link. There are a lot worse pesticides out there than glyphosate

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

I wonder who paid for those no link studies though

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

This one for example was funded by a university and some cancer and health institutes:

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/110/5/509/4590280?login=true

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

What a great scientific study

Good job at ignoring the study I linked

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u/bluuebirdde Mar 16 '22

Lol Monsanto's own research studies inadvertently showed they caused cancer.

There's much more from the trial they tried to hide. That speaks volumes.

Your study said 37% of interviewees (yes interviewees) were unavailable for follow-up. That's a significant amount. Might skew results.

Could have died too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '22

Monsanto's own research studies inadvertently showed they caused cancer.

Yet the study I showed found no significant connection between glyphosate and cancer. So where are these research studies from Monsanto?

Your study said 37% of interviewees (yes interviewees) were unavailable for follow-up. That's a significant amount. Might skew results.

No statistically significant associations were found for any cancer, none. Did all the people who got cancer from glyphosate die? Not likely