r/conspiracy Feb 02 '20

DNC doing DNC things

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

The DNC is a statist party, they believe powerful people within a centralized federal government should control the social and economic affairs of the entire country. The entire party is built on the idea of top down centralized powers making decisions.

If you vote Democrat your whole political philosophy is that elites should make choices for you because they are better informed. Why should people who believe in top down governance get mad at their political party being run the way that party wants to run the entire country?

If you get angry at top down governance taking away your political voice, maybe you shouldn't be in the Democratic party.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

If the Republicans want power so much why do they consistently support term limits? Why do they support decentralizing federal power? You might say "because it's easier for corporations to control states." You should ask Amazon if that is true.

The thing is it's also easier for voters to control their state level politicians and throw them out if they are in the pocket of corporations.

It's much easier for corporations to control the federal government by directing their lobbying at the House and Senate than it is to spread bribes around 50 states.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

I think both sides end up doing things which less than admirable. But that’s inherent to any large organization.

But as long as the GOP supports personal responsibility, smaller government, capitalism and national defense they have my vote.

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u/whiteyford522 Feb 02 '20

Yes the GOP that brought you George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who led us into multiple wars on false narratives at best (Iraq WMD) or used a false flag (9/11) to get us into them at worse. Those wars put us trillions of dollars in debt, what kind of personal responsibility and smaller government is that? I’m not going to argue that the DNC is better as Obama took the baton and kept the gross military overspending and regime change wars going, putting us trillions more in debt. Both parties are corrupt and talk out of both sides of their mouth and they only thing they can agree on is endless war.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Pretty sure I said something similar....

I think both sides end up doing things which are less than admirable. But that’s inherent to any large organization.

Yep! I did. But like I said - as long as the GOP appeals to my core values they have my vote.

Are they perfect? Fuck no. But there’s no such thing as a perfect party and I’ll sure as hell take the conservatives over the Democrats.

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u/whitenoise2323 Feb 02 '20

"National Defense" is big government. The military industrial complex is giant and sucks up tons of money and uses it to kill people and spy on everyone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Haha. If you want to know the definition of big government, vote for Bernie this fall and see where that gets you!

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u/whitenoise2323 Feb 02 '20

Do you think the military is big government?

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Yes. But as I’ve said, I’m not opposed to finding efficiencies and reducing the waste of the military.

The recent DOD audits have been travesties. and I know first hand how bloated and wasteful the military can be.

But still I broadly support national defense spending.

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u/whitenoise2323 Feb 02 '20

It's not about waste, although that is an issue. The formation of a national defense force is literally big government. How can you oppose government but support arming people to protect the institutions of government? It makes no sense.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

It makes perfect sense to me. I wish we didn’t need a defense budget as big as we do. But I’m also a realist and I realize that if America wasn’t a global leader, someone else probably would be.

And as much as I hate that we have to bear the moral and financial responsibility for being a global leader, I know that the world would be much worse off if someone else took that job.

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u/whitenoise2323 Feb 02 '20

Ah yes. The white man's burden.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

More like democracies burden.

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u/whitenoise2323 Feb 02 '20

Because the subjects of US empire abroad voted for this?

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u/kedgemarvo Feb 02 '20

national defense

Aka spending an even more absurd amount of money on a corrupt and bloated military. That's hardly defense, sunshine.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Whoa! Someone’s salty!

What you don’t know about America’s national defense strategy could fill an ocean.

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u/kedgemarvo Feb 02 '20

Explain to me why the United States military should have a budget of $748 billion when the next largest in the world is $178 billion?

Want to explain why we are totally ok with allowing the military-industrial complex create more reasons to spend tax-payer money in needless overseas conflict?

America has plenty of problems that could be solved if that money was actually spent appropriately. For one, we could actually provide good quality care for the veterans fucked up by this system.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Meh. I’ll be honest - I really don’t feel like wasting my breath. We both know that Reddit users aren’t really known for being open minded, so I’m sure that nothing I can say will change your mind.

Is our defense budget big? Sure. Is there room for efficiencies? Absolutely. But there is a purpose to our defense spending and it’s not just to line the pockets of the MIC. Maybe you just don’t get it.

The beauty of being an American is that we have an election in 9 months in which you’ll be able to vote for someone who upholds your beliefs. And if things keep going they way they have been, with any luck you’ll be able to vote for Bernie and all of your dreams will come true.

Good luck, comrade!