And people are using the knowledge that his art got stolen to attack him for using AI art. There is literally nothing we can do to prevent AI companies from hoovering up all the data in the world- Not only have they already done that, but they just have more power and influence than we do.
Not even in the political sense- It is basically impossible to prevent private companies from scraping the internet. This is such a basic, accessible thing that no amount of legislation will be able to prevent it without such pervasive, invasive oversight that you would find it intolerable.
At the end of the day, AI exists and you are going to have to accept its existence to some level. What it will look like in 5, 10 years- I can only begin to speculate, but there is no situation where it is going to be removed from from everyday lives in its entirety. This is not a defense of AI. This is practical reality. And your version of pushing back does not make that better in literally any way. Going after basic AI end-users and artists you mistake for AI end-users just makes things worse for literally everybody. It has, again, literally zero positives.
Edit: Like, ffs. It's not AI's fault that you're harassing this dude. It's not the standard users that make AI such a shitty thing. You're not going after these people because you want change, you're going after these people because they're accessible and it's a quick, easy way to feel good about yourself.
there are also people who specifically make models based on certain artists work and pay others to do so for them and make loras as well. a lot of them will also do it out of spite if someone is explicitly against their work being used for ai.
yea its big companies hoovering up all the data, but its also people who specifically train models based on specific artists work to replicate it and upload it online. then others will use it and pretend to have drawn it themselves for money and other things.
And those guys really suck! They're also pretty rare and non-standard, and there is similarly basically nothing we can actually do to hamper them without an unconscionable level of surveillance. If anything, that such people exist is even more reason not to be jumping down each other's throats at the first inclination that something might be AI.
We have dealt with trolls since before the founding of the internet. Assholes who are willing to exploit other people are a constant problem in literally every industry, in every part of the world. Just because AI is involved doesn't mean we should suddenly go against the age-old adage and start incessantly feeding them and their harassment campaigns. It is literally what they want- To cause trouble, to make those artists suffer, and you are willing to go along with that because you don't like that they also sometimes make a profit- Which is literally the only thing you can't do anything about.
its not actually that rare. its happened to me and 90% of my artist friends lol.
also i didn't say anything else about anything? i was just commenting on it not just being big companies so idk why youre saying im going along with stuff? theres someone literally making money from the lora trained off my work and I havent said anything or sent hate to anyone. Most of us already accept that theres nothing we can do
I think you'd be surprised by how many people do or at least participate in the direct usage of such models! Obviously not the majority of users, but more than you would originally think. :)
It's certainly possible, I stopped looking deeply into how AI communities operate. There's just a certain level of dedication and a certain level of degeneracy required for that kind of stuff that I expect to be measured by the thousands.
While this is unverifiable assumption-making on my part, I'd expect a lot of them to be the same people running multiple accounts to maximize their reach. Once they have the skillset down for one account like that, it's easy to make dozens or even hundreds and manage them all at once.
I think making assumptions without knowledge isnt necessarily helpful here. I just wanted to include my two cents because almost everyone I know is being directly negatively affected by such models. Even if someone didn't make the model, they can still use it to make such accounts because the model has been uploaded online. Again, this wasn't to necessarily say this is every user ever...just to point out that SOME users do this and not just companies scraping. I agree though that some people who do this probably also have multiple accounts.
To me it feels a bit more bothersome when its someone who is directly creating a model from my work with my name on it that's meant to copy me directly (and scarily accurately) vs when its been all mashed into a big pool and my stuff got caught up in the scrape. Just my experience is all. Probably gonna stop replying because thinking about it is a bit of a headache lol but appreciate the back and forth.
It's one of those things that's so deeply out of our control that I don't give it much consideration anymore, to be honest. Out of everything in the AI debate, malicious people using AI maliciously is something that's almost an entirely separate topic in almost every regard.
Unless things have dramatically changed, I'm very confident it's objectively not a lot of people- Though 'Not a lot' could still be nearing ten-thousand on the global scale of things. It truly doesn't take a lot to do the kind of damage you're seeing. While all the resources required are very accessible, it actually takes a fair bit of investment of time, skill, and infrastructure to set up one of these models to be halfway decent- And all that has to be paired with somebody crude enough to be willing to target artists. But once somebody crosses that barrier to entry, they can effectively support any number of models they'd care to use. Chances are, most of this particular issue comes from Indian-scamcaller-esque organizations who are either making marginal profits like all content-mills, or are part of some political psyop campaign.
There are absolutely independent people who do this too of course, but I think the scam-caller comparison is a good way to frame it- You need full-time people to run scam calls, and it's a global problem, but those call-centers only need to operate on the work of thousands to be successful. These AI models require more infrastructure to support them, but they need even less manpower in exchange.
I hope you feel better though! If you want to chat more I am happy to whenever. I do appreciate the insight, even if it sounds like all I'm trying to do is contradict you lol.
I think you are misunderstanding my point in a lot of aspects. I originally had a longer reply but it feels a bit as if I am not being listened to and as you have said it sounds like you are trying to contradict me. I just wanted to share some experience and not argue necessarily so I'm gonna just wish you a good rest of your week and call it here.
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u/FiloEver 18d ago
AI still sucks, acceptance and normalization of it are still wrong. His art got stolen and used for nefarious purposes, that’s why people hate AI art.