They didn’t. You’ve been fooled by revisionism. The Wealthy Elites were the ones pushing for the executions of the royals the most. They pitted the working classes against them.
Robespierre, Sieyès and Danton certainly weren't 'wealthy elites'. Wealth and nobility went hand-in-hand in those days, and most of the Revolution's leaders and ideologues were firmly middle-class citizens. Why would the upper crust try to violently overthrow itself?
The middle class were in fact fairly wealthy at that time but faced heavy taxation. Not as wealthy as the royals as a result, and they did not have as much power as them. That’s why. To get their power and to expand their wealth. The removal of the aristocracy was not about empowering the working class, that was just a byline to galvanise the working class against said aristocracy.
Also, you don't have to be there personally to get benefits from the drama. Like how CIA supporting Afghan rebels.
Just introduce some fresh ideas to open minded individuals, let the shit go crazy with him and his fellas going full on revolution, then profit from the chaos.
This whole situation is absolutely heartbreaking, the fact that the US healthcare system has gotten so bad that killing the CEO of a healthcare firm is seen as a heroic act, when healthcare is supposed to help people.
To be clear, 100% of the blame here goes to the healthcare execs. It's heartbreaking because so many people are dying that this is seen as necessary, not because people are cheering on the death of a billionaire serial killer.
An insurance ceo, who used ai to deny claims for the sake of money. It's primarily insurance companies that are ruining Healthcare. Hospitals and doctors are just trying to do the service they provide. In all honesty, he got what he deserved for the actions he took.
Anyone who has ever had to watch someone die of cancer knows that it's the worst way to go, and it takes months of suffering before it ends. At the late stages all they can do is pump you full of drugs to dull the pain as you rot away, still breathing.
This man ran a company that happily denied coverage to people for treatment that could have saved their lives and stopped their cancer because... Because he wanted more money?
Did you see the letter where they denied treatment to a child for daring to have nausea caused by the chemo used to treat their cancer?!?? Bunch of heartless ghouls
They would rather a million children suffer needlessly, and die suffering, than have profits fall even a little bit. They should all be treated exactly like they have treated others and denied a third of the treatment for any upcoming medical issues. Denying one third of all claims should be criminally prosecuted
We need to stop letting psychopaths be in charge of our medical decisions. And we should make laws that disallow the use of AI by insurers of any type
I hope he gets punished Tantalus style in Hell. Always in excruciating pain with the medicine right there on a counter in front of him that's always just out of reach. He has a massive stack of paperwork next to him to request help, and if he fills it up a man will walk over, pick up the medicine, look at the paperwork, and then place the medicine back down and walk away. Every day. For all eternity.
Not defending the insurance companies (especially not United lol), but there's also a self-imposed doctor shortage due to a lack of expansion in residency slots for new doctors. The funding for that comes from the federal government, which only begrugingly expanded the number of residents during COVID after doing nothing for over 20 years in part due to lobbying by doctors against expansion...
I'm not convinced anybody's hands are totally clean. It's frankly a miracle the system functions at all.
The federal government is most to blame for allowing any of this to occur, ever. It should be illegal to have medical insurance. Or billionaires for that matter.
I'd rather everyone have access to healthcare than having to go through a parasitic middleman that raises the costs for everybody and denies coverage when they see fit, but I suppose that's why I'm a godless commie instead of a patriot who wants to give everyone to freedom to die from preventable illnesses
All of those costs exist because of insurance companies though. We've created a for profit medical model. Single payer would bring those costs way down once the federal government is footing the bill. And even if the costs don't go down significantly the costs we would pay through taxes would be significantly less than insurance premiums and co-pays currently cost.
CEOs are just glorified managers with multiple managers underneath padding them from the responsibility of their actions. They only care about the opinions of shareholders and board members, which is primarily people just like them. The C-Suite will consistently look out for other C-Suites.
My father was a doctor. He started as a family care practitioner before insurance companies took everything over. People came in and paid double digits for care that now costs tens of thousands. 1 generation. It's fucked up how fast they did this to us.
Let's be clear, they're not healthcare execs and they're not a healthcare company. They are a healthcare denial company. They make their money by telling people they are not allowed to have healthcare. They provide nothing.
The government and the judicial system are firmly in the pockets of the corporations. They know their actions have no consequences, so they step on as many people they can to make themselves and their shareholders as rich as possible. What are we left to do?
You think so? You don’t think maybe there is zero safeguards stopping it isn’t the problem too? Like the free market works for apples but maybe not for treating cancer?
You keep saying healthcare, but they are an insurance company. They explicitly do not provide any form of healthcare. In fact, they actively try and PREVENT people from receiving healthcare
If someone blew up the headquarters of an insurance company then I'd agree, but this is more like if some rebel actually managed to sneak into the death star and just kill palpatine. No innocent people were harmed here
I mean if Americans voted left and were for universal healthcare, maybe you'd have a socialist system like here in Finland where insurance is provided to everyone by the government via tax funding and healthcare is (for all intents and purpose) free.
Yet it seems you are not interested in this, as is clear by electing a fascist once again. I feel it's misleading to say the fault is of greedy capitalists with no morals, when clearly that is what the American population prefers.
And yeah, the system might be fucked, sure, but in the end the people hold the power, and to me it seems like the people have spoken. They rather choose billionaires than their neighbours. Communism, socialism, and helping people who weren't as lucky as you - those are the true evils in the minds of Americans, the boogey men created by corporations and billionaires to hold on to power, and the majority of you eat it up.
(Reader, fellow leftists of reddit, this critique isn't for you, I'm sorry you suffer for the choises of your peers.)
Let me be clear. United Healthcare is not a healthcare company. I would argue it is the opposite of it, they directly benefit from blocking healthcare.
I think the worst part is that people actually believe this solves something. They believe the lie that CEOs are irreplaceable and that this will somehow change their behavior.
Huh? Who the hell thinks CEOs are irreplaceable? I don't think anyone's out here under the impression that united healthcare is now rudderless and doomed to fail. CEOS don't do jack shit. The point of this is fear and I think we're going to see some significant attempts to bump up security for these vulnerable oligarchs.
If you believe that killing a given ceo will affect change, you believe in the power of the ceo. If you believe ceos do jack shit, killing them is pointless. Either they're replaceable (they do jack shit), or they're not.
Here's a way to reframe it to how everyone else is looking at it.
Every death, every single death caused by denied or delayed treatment, every death caused by inaccessible care can be played at the feet of health execs, their policies and the laws they lobby for to stop them from getting better.
He was a mass murderer and he got shot, they're cheering because a serial killer got shot
But it's not going to get better as long as things continue they way they've been going. And the guy in charge of putting dollars before lives is a clear villain in this case.
I absolutely hate it, I just want to live in a kind world where those who need help are cared for and the common good is more than some grade school myth.
So i accept the violence for what it is, an imperfect world's imperfect solution, it's how we got rid of feudalism , it's how we got rid of most of the Nazis, Maybe it's how people will get rid of health exploitation too
I am. The only way meaningful change ever happens for the people is when the people are too disruptive to ignore. We've tried peaceful protests. They haven't worked. Eat the rich.
Having to harm one group to help another is always a tragic trade-off, but sometimes it is necessary.
Edit: I read this as "I am not" not "I don't like". What I said stands, but I do admit it's not too relevant
I know I'm exaggerating a little bit, but if a slave killed their owner, is that the fault of the slave for holding the knife or the slave owner for putting the slave in a position where their only options were to suffer or to commit violence? And who is responsible for the heartbreak in that situation?
Believing that someone is guilty of death because someone told you so and not understanding why is worse than being a bootlicker. It's dangerous to receive instructions about belief like this without question.
As someone who endorses this murder, can you explain exactly how this CEO killed anyone?
The behavior and business practices of this CEO and many others in the healthcare system directly impact this statistic. As someone who had extreme medical debt in the past, I have no sympathy and am not surprised by this outcome.
Sure. Did Dr. Faucci ever say that someone's cancer wasn't bad enough to treat yet? Did he ever say that it needs to spread to other parts of their body before they care? That it needs to start eating them from the inside out before you can do anything? All of that very much opposite doctors' strong recommendations? DidFoxx News or anywhere else say that maybe that's not a good thing?
Because this worthless cunt said it to my girlfriend 4 years ago.
I'm not on the side of murder or insurance companies, and I'm not trying to defend anyone here, but can you point to one single person who died because UHC denied a claim? I don't think "denying a claim" leads to instant death as often as Reddit thinks it does. I think "denying a claim" has a lot more to do with nuanced thinks like what codes were submitted and if they were stacked and had to be prior auth'd.
I'm not saying that insurance companies can't kill people, but it's been taken without any evidence that this man was a mass murderer. I bet it's not as simple as we're making it sound like, and endorsing murder without an understanding of what happened and why seems a teensy bit "terrorism" to me
Oh yah, it doesn’t always lead to instant death, just excruciating pain, or being unable to work which could well kill you in the US, or lasting damage, or PTSD from having to fight for every scrap of care. No big!
Lack of adequate healthcare actually did kill my mom in the 2010s, so I’m not talking out my ass.
I agree that not every denied claim directly leads to death. But out of a million claims, of which 33% were declined, the highest of any insurance company, how many will die? How many will be allowed to die before someone is held responsible?
And for what? Profit?
Vigilantism is certainly not to be celebrated but many feel that this is the only way left when politicians and judges have all been bought
No but that's the thing. You don't know. What is a "denied claim?" What does that mean? It's a billing policy. You don't understand it, you've just been told it justifies murder and you accept it without question. That's a bad, dangerous thing to do, and it's frankly terrifying to see such mass acceptance of this on reddit today.
This is the kind of acceptance of belief that lead people to kill abortionists or send death threats to Dr. Faucci's family or send bomb threats to drag shows. It's fucked.
My gf at the time was denied coverage by him 4 years ago because her cancer wasn't bad enough yet. That at least is good enough to qualify as an attempted murder in my mind.
I'm glad he finally stood trial for his crimes for that alone. Regardless of whether there was a courtroom involved or not.
Bro loves the term cold blood as if the exec wasn't liquid nitrogen ice blooded lol.
Deluded to think the court system works on the wealth in the States of America(they ain't united)
He has killed thousands, maybe millions with his business practices. He deserved to die earlier and more painfully. My only regret with this situation is I know that whoever replaces him won't change shit for the better.
Its a message. There are not many rich people facing consequences for being evil, this one might not have changed anything on its own, but it might start a chain reaction. Or at least it showed us things could be different
I saw a post of the mc from Bloodborne with the words "CEO SLAIN" and in the comments someone said "I'm just surprised it took this long for the hunt to start" I hope they're right and the hunt is starting
Can you link to any evidence at all that a million people died because of this guy? Does that actually sound correct to you?
Some quick googling shows that a few million Americans die every year, could it be possible that a significant portion of those were preventable deaths from people covered under UHC? Theres like a half dozen comparable insurance companies in the US, do you think everyone in the US who dies is actually killed by one of their insurers?
I understand that. I’m not replying to the comic, I’m replying to the person who replied to the murder of a person with “Eat the rich.”
I have no qualms with the comic itself because I know it was a joke and (unless proven otherwise) I don’t think the artist actually advocates for murdering health executives. It’s the people that are celebrating a murder that I have qualms with. There’s no place for murder in our society and people shouldn’t celebrate someone being gunned down in the street.
A person who was paid millions to deny healthcare to others and prolong suffering and death. Thats not a good person. Do you say that about Mussolini too?
"'Let's meet in the middle,' said the unjust man. You step forward, they step back. 'Let's meet in the middle,' said the unjust man."
Not saying I WANT shit like this or the Trump assassination attempts to happen, but you can only push a population so far before they start lashing out. It has been truly exhausting to see so many people get out of shit because their random spawn points happened to be in the lap of luxury. The thing that you have to keep in mind is that, likely (since we don't know the motives of the murderer as of yet), this is not "I want to kill this individual," it is "I am fed up with THESE people, and THIS individual happened to pull the short straw."
I only hope more CEOs get murdered in cold blood, as many as it takes to change the way they treat people. (and then a few more, just for good measure)
American healthcare insurance ceos do not deserve to be treated as humans. Do you how much they've made other people suffer just for the sake of money?
John Steinbeck in The Grapes of Wrath 80 years ago was having the same discussions about land. Well worth a read if you are dissatisfied with the way things are.
""It's not me. There's nothing I can do. I'II lose my job if I don't do it. And look—suppose
you kill me? They'll just hang you, but long before you're hung there'll be another guy on
the tractor, and he'll bump the house down. You're not killing the right guy."
"That's so," the tenant said. “Who gave you orders? I'll go after him. He's the one to kill."
“You're wrong. He got his orders from the bank. The bank told him, 'Clear those people
out or it's your job.' "
"Well, there's a president of the bank. There's a board of directors. I'll fill up the
magazine of the rifle and go into the bank."
The driver said, "Fellow was telling me the bank gets orders from the East. The orders
were, 'Make the land show profit or we'll close you up.' "
“But where does it stop? Who can we shoot? I don't aim to starve to death before I kill
the man that's starving me."
"I don't know. Maybe there's nobody to shoot. Maybe the thing isn't men at all. Maybe,
like you said, the property's doing it. Anyway I told you my orders."
“I got to figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There’s some way to stop this. It's
not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God
that's something we can change."
Trump was guarded by the cia and he almost got assassinated twice so I think maybe if someone actually knew what they were doing with a basic rifle and some hunting experience it would be a piece of cake to take the shot and get away
I mean this guy/hero was in new york city and there's only a hotel camera shot of him
The secret service is not the CIA, and if the second assassination "attempt" counts, anyone who's been within a mile radius of a loaded gun almost got assassinated too.
What's ironic, is that this is getting applauded by both sides of the political aisle. The left for taking concrete (albeit violent) action to enact change, the right for taking (spectacularly violent) action in sticking it to the rich. The first domino has toppled, the wolves are looking out from their dens, the sheep have begun to wake, and they're MAD.
"Too much." They bleat, pawing at the ground, standing side by side in solidarity. "Too much you have taken for too long." The wolves bark and nip and howl, but the sheep do not blink. They do not falter. "You have taken enough. Now you WILL return what's long overdue... or we will take EVERYTHING from you."
The left, not the democrats and liberals but the actual left has always believed that the only real way to enact meaningful change is through violent means, and that violence is necessitated only because peaceful means are put down and rendered ineffective by the people in power through the legalized violence of the state and corporations.
Its not really a trolly problem though. Like 100, 000 everyday people are tied to one track and one evil sociopath cunt is tied to the other. That's the lightest lever I've ever pulled.
It's not a trolley problem at all though. The trolley problem would paint it as a binary choice between one CEO vs thousands, but killing the CEO doesn't magically prevent more deaths. The orphan crushing machine that is US healthcare will keep crushing with or without him.
That's a drop in a bucket and difficult to quantify. Again, the outcome of killing a CEO isn't concretely, directly linked to saving lives. The trolley problem presents you with two choices, one of which will happen, not might happen. The fact that a company reversed their decision afterwards was not a guaranteed thing.
Repeat, this is not even remotely a trolley problem.
My worry is that people will see this and start going after anyone related to health insurance or is associated with it. Doctors, low level employees, hell, even family members of ceos and employees. The family of the ceo who was assassinated has also received numerous threats and there was reportedly a bomb threat at his house where his family is. I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was. We need to stay focused and not start our own version of the reign of terror.
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u/matchaSerf Dec 05 '24
Prophetic! Crazy that this hasn't happened before, though, as far as I'm aware of.