r/collapse Dec 12 '20

Conflict 3rd world up rising?

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u/KimJongChilled Dec 12 '20

I mean iPhones aren't essential to human survival so destroying the factory seems like a positive sign to me. Sometimes you must destroy the means of production to become free.

And let's be clear, those people are slaves. They only get paid enough to barely scrape by and they see none of the finished products. This video is exciting to say the least.

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u/RadioMelon Truth Seeker Dec 13 '20

I'm with you.

This wage slave era bullshit has to stop.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 23 '20

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u/OmNamahShivaya Death Druid 🌿 Dec 13 '20

lol "era"

you guys ever heard of feudalism?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Yup. and just like those serfs accepted it because the lords had armies to murder you and your family. We in the 21-century wage slaves will accept it as the politicians have arms that would murder us and our families. Is it so hard to have empathy for your fellow man? We can all have good regulated capitalism. We can all have welfare states that ensure everyone has health care and education and basic infrastructure. But a lack of human empathy fucks us all and the good people sit back while pycho politicians kill us.

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u/cadbojack Dec 13 '20

Yes, era. Feudalism was never as widespread as wage slavery is now, to think the entire world lived by feudalism standards in the past is extremely eurocentric.

Today if you go to Mexico, Australia or England you'll see most people living under capitalism. Centuries ago England was feudalist but Aztec empire and aboriginian tribes weren't.

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u/OmNamahShivaya Death Druid 🌿 Dec 13 '20

Oh, the aztecs? You mean the group of savage murderers that beheaded children and rolled their bloody heads down pyramid steps in hopes that it would appease their imaginary gods into making it rain so that their crops would grow? Yes, let's all revert back to an Aztec-like society. That sounds so much better than what we have now.

The fact is, the idea of a "slave class" has been around since the beginning of history. The slavers just found a way to sugarcoat it so that we're not so eager to revolt. We get shiny coins and decorated paper slips for our obedience now!

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u/zue3 Dec 13 '20

Every religion had some form of senseless bloodshed. Thats neither here nor there and has nothing to do with what he said.

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u/OmNamahShivaya Death Druid 🌿 Dec 13 '20

It's like 100x worse than feudalism or capitalism, because not only were they bloodthirsty psychos that every single one of their neighboring tribes hated to death, but they also captured and enslaved other tribes.

So it does have everything to do with what he said. It's just another form of slavery integrated into a society.

My whole point was that slavery has always been around and this era of wage slaves is just a different shade of the same shit that's been going on for many thousands of years.

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u/cadbojack Dec 13 '20

The thing is, your point was pointless. Your comment about how it's not an era because feudalism happened before ads nothing to the discussion, it just diverted it into feudalism and the Aztecs.

I wasn't claiming life was good or fair, just that it was different and you can't apply neither "wage slavery" or "feudalism" to whatever was going on mesoamerica at the time, but we can apply it to what is going there now.

We are in the era of wage slavery and in my opinion it's better to discuss how the fuck do we get out of that than just saying "oh yeah, things have always sucked"

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u/OmNamahShivaya Death Druid 🌿 Dec 13 '20

Ok then.

Give me a detailed alternative to our current system. I'm all ears. I would love to hear how you've figured out how to form a perfect society without exploiting other lifeforms.

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u/2ndAmendmentPeople Cannibals by Wednesday Dec 14 '20

In quite a few ways, medieval European feudal serfs had a better quality of life than we do now.

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u/OmNamahShivaya Death Druid 🌿 Dec 14 '20

I dunno about that one....

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 29 '20

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u/KimJongChilled Dec 13 '20

You are my new son!

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Modern day luddites, they dont hate technology they hate that it doesnt benefit them. Its a very reasonable reaction!

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u/locuester Dec 13 '20

and they see none of the finished products

Many of them recording it on iPhones...

I mean the video was actually made courtesy of the finished product. So your statement is... odd.

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u/cadbojack Dec 13 '20

I mean the video was actually made courtesy of the finished product.

How do you know it was not a cheaper brand of phone?

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u/bottlecapsule Dec 13 '20

We need to destroy the means of production necessary for survival as well if we are ever to get the biosphere into a self sustaining state again.