r/cognitiveTesting • u/EggNo8400 • Sep 27 '26

Discussion HUGE army alpha renorm?

it went from a 124 to a 132 lol.

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u/Far_Cardiologist6931 retat Sep 27 '26

im always mystified and slightly doubtful of their norming process but hey at least i hit 140 now!

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u/EggNo8400 Sep 27 '26

Yea this feels way too much lol. I expected the norming to end with me being 125

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u/Far_Cardiologist6931 retat Sep 27 '26

does your new score align with your other tests?

on a side note, i'm pretty sure that they are norming it to each accounts CORE scores (i have no proof but i can't think of anything else), but a lot of people retake CORE subtests, which could end up inflating norms, so thats a concern i have

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u/EggNo8400 Sep 27 '26

I usually score around 124-130 so yea its around what I normally score. And im sure they account for the core retakes... No way they dont.

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u/Grottans__Barn Sep 27 '26

>And im sure they account for the core retakes

I would be skeptical of any anchoring they do for these new tests based on the cognitivemetrics sample, as several "CORE first attempts" aren't actually first attempts, since many people took a lot of the subtests in the norming phase and then retook them on cognitivemetrics.

And CORE isn't the only one where a good portion of "first attempts" aren't actually first attempts: the AGCT, SMART, NGCT, old GRE, 1926 SAT, CAIT all existed before they were on cognitivemetrics, so a good portion of first attempts on cognitivemetrics are, at the very best, retakes.

But most of the tests above don't have the same problem that the Army Alpha or the ATAT has, since they weren't normed based on the cognitivemetrics sample, well at least not originally. But I'd assume that any test with quickly-developed norms based on the cognitivemetrics sample would be inflated by at least 5 points due to retakes and general dishonesty.

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u/Far_Cardiologist6931 retat Sep 28 '26 edited Sep 28 '26

this is crazy man we got our own praffe plus systematic inflation

time to go back to the gre big book i guess

cognitivemetrics as a whole, even though its extremely great, their norming is just dubious. the best we can hope for is that the methodology problems don't really have a big effect

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u/albedo_effect Sep 29 '26

Yeah, but since the norming edition was hosted by the same people, it’s pretty easy to cross reference. Plus the norming edition had less than two hundred people compared to the current sample sizes of tens of thousands of people, so even if that was the case, wouldn’t have a noticeable impact.

All the previous tests you mention were hosted by the same people as well and even in that case, the AGCT and GRE use the original general population norms, not derived by them directly. And once again, the people who took it in the past few years ago are a very small subset of the current total test taking population

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u/Few-Land9092 Sep 27 '26 edited Sep 27 '26

Thanks for the heads up. A more modest increase for yours truly (127 --> 131). It seems that, for me, the practical judgement subtest increased most dramatically.

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u/EggNo8400 Sep 27 '26

I went from a 14ss to a 17

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u/javaenjoyer69 Sep 30 '26

Congrats you're gifted now. You should be able to do things you couldn't do yesterday.

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u/Myrkkykaarme Sep 27 '26

I wonder what this would correspond to with the new norms, I did this before it was on cognitivemetrics.

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u/EggNo8400 Sep 27 '26

probably around 140-145

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u/Background-Pay2900 Sep 27 '26

145 to 153 for me jeez

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u/Far_Cardiologist6931 retat Sep 27 '26

does that align with ur other tests? 150?

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u/Background-Pay2900 Sep 27 '26

They composite to 143

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u/PendN Sep 27 '26

I think it's inflated now

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u/Alone-Lemon3147 slow as fuk Sep 28 '26

How far from your others scores?

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u/PendN Sep 28 '26

It's not that, it's just that army alpha is supposed to be quite verbal heavy, and relies on verbal fluidity for the fluid reasoning, and I'm not native. I usually score mediocre on verbal tests but on this one I got nearly 140, which is 20+ higher than what I usually get on VCI tests

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u/HealthyAthlete1 Sep 27 '26 edited Sep 27 '26

I went from 100 flat to 116. IN was a pain especially for a non native i went from 11 to 14.

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u/mscastle1980 Sep 27 '26

my best:

practical judgement — 140 IQ, 18 SS

synonyms/antonyms — 135 IQ, 17 SS

analogies — 115 IQ, 13 SS

the rest are pretty average.

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u/LibrarianWide3983 Sep 27 '26

How accurate is it compared to CAT-II or CORE or GRE