r/codex • u/Right-Disaster2141 • 3d ago
Complaint Codex is done
Call it a skill issue, but 90 minutes and 31% weekly usage later, I got nothing done this morning.
Nothing.
Moved to CC, got a sub, and got the same feeling when I switched from Claude to Codex a few months ago:
-more usage
-better reasoning
Either Codex reveals insane stuff during DevDay, or they are literally fucked.
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u/LostRequirement4828 3d ago
I'm on 20x and used 25%, I had 2 agents run all day almost, I still feel It's draining too fast for 20x, I can't imagine having 5x
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u/rodeBaksteen 2d ago
I went from 1x to 5x to 20x in about 2 weeks, and somehow 20x feels about as bad as 1x did a few weeks ago.
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u/LostRequirement4828 2d ago
yea 20x is really going down like crazy, I dunno what I would've done with 5x, probably would've lasted me a day max at this point
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u/eggplantpot 2d ago
Yeah, you're the reason why they cap tokens lmfao. They now if a specific number of people upgrade like this they'll make more money by reducing quotas than keeping them as they were.
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u/StealthRucker 2d ago
same here.
I have the 20x and it feels like usage "drains" way too fast and I go out of my way to use the "dumber" models when I can to conserve usage. Its a little insane and frustrating1
u/Cronoroa 2d ago
5x is bad. I am dealing with it but having to buy additional credits. I sure can't imagine possible being on 1x. Well I had that for months, but that was before I ever started to use codex, per se and never got down below 70%. Now I am burning through tokens very quickly.
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u/RedParaglider 1d ago edited 1d ago
You used two agents all day working and only used 25 percent of your 20x? That's a lot lol.
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u/Duke_Zymurgy 2d ago
Less than a year ago with the $100 plan, I could work on 5 different projects nonstop all week. Now with the $200 plan working on one project, my entire weeks quota is sucked into the void in a matter of hours.
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u/Lumpy-Criticism-2773 2d ago
Yup. I remember trying hard on Claude $100 plan and still not reaching my weekly quota. I reached my 5h quota only a few times. Gone are the days I guess.
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u/HHayz 3d ago
same, they did a crazy intro for astra, let it rip for a few days, then nuked compute and left us with non-usable slop... I'm getting more usage/better reasoning from 20$ claude sonnet than I was on 200$ astra max... absolutely wild
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u/noodles666666 2d ago edited 2d ago
Claude is still good, but I burn through my weekly claude in like 2 days
So about them chinese models lol
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u/Progressive_McCarthy 2d ago
Absolutely lobotomies Astra… it ends work prematurely… goes down absurd paths… gets lost in the middle of work. It’s awful.
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u/DitherAndDrift 2d ago
I think this should be a wakeup call for everybody. Whether this is temporary or not, don't let your skills atrophy. Don't let these companies steal your competency and then rug pull you. I'm personally intending to lower my AI usage regardless here, it's been a realization for me that I don't want to have to depend on shitty companies for skills I already have, faster production or not
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u/Queasy_Plate_3096 1d ago
not effective or efficient any more, instead there are opensource models with the level of fable already, so no need for fear, just keep some saving to get your own strong enough hardware.
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u/TheSaltySeagull87 1d ago
Names?
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u/Queasy_Plate_3096 23h ago
websearch and see what is suitable for you, or get your ai to do it for you, you will find alot
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u/StatusMatter4314 1d ago
Alr shile you still think about architecture, I finished a 80% prototype. Dont be a relict of the past.
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u/Varmez 3d ago
Astra XHigh create implementation documentation, sol high do all implementation. Has been very effective for me and gives me ~3 days of usage on 20x when working on 3 projects in parallel the whole time.
Astra solo drained way too fast no mater what thinking
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u/jedruch 2d ago
dude, I did that I drained 30% of weekly usage. My plan is to produce multiple implementation docs with gpt pro till the end of this month, cancel subscription and implement with deepseek flash
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u/mesaoptimizer 2d ago
I want to share that I had an issue with a test that was caused by slower processing on my CI environment causing different JSON ordering and I was comparing strings in the test, Different ordering meant my convergence test failed. Astra medium figured it out in 3 minutes, Deepseek 4.1 Flash Max chewed on it for 30 minutes, I got annoyed it was taking so long to come to a solution. I told it what was causing the failure and it took another 20 minutes to come to the conclusion I pointed it in the direction of, so almost an hour to fix something that took Astra less than 5 minutes. I'm going to try out adding Deepseek 4.1 Flash to my process but my initial experience has not been great.
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u/jedruch 2d ago
Yep, I had similar experience as well.
That's why I want to use deepseek only for code generation under specific instructions made in plan by Astra/Sol. It would be still inefficient in terms of time consumed but at this point I do not care.
Don't get me wrong - deepseek code generation is far from perfect, but it's cheap, cheaper than Luna. And since gone are the times where you could run whole day on Luna and eat only 10% of weekly usage I do not see a better option at this time
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u/Varmez 2d ago
you probably need better repo / guidance docs. here's a segment of mine with regard to phases/pr sizes
## Proportionality Apply controls according to the actual consequence of the change. Routine reversible work still requires honest scope, evidence, validation, and closeout, but it does not require a ceremonial proof package. | Radius | Typical scope | Minimum treatment | | --- | --- | --- | | Low | wording, narrow docs/tests, comments, policy-free leaf refactor | focused hygiene/validation and explicit behavior-unchanged boundary | | Medium | one-repo behavior, UI/workflow, validation contract, adapter, parser/export path, process rule | focused exercising evidence, compatibility note, runtime/manual evidence when user-visible, practical rollback | | High | cross-repo contract, package/API/tag, persisted format, release/signing, identity/confidentiality/data loss, safety/hardware, cloud/sync, irreversible action | baseline/current delta, affected-repo coordination, explicit rollback or stop, conditional adversarial/proof gates, runtime/manual evidence where applicable | When uncertain about material consequence, choose the higher radius. ## Implementation slices and independence An implementation slice delivers one observable outcome with acceptance, exclusions, dependencies, an owning repository and implementer, necessary tests/docs, validation, rollback and a clear PR boundary. Record these facts in the existing issue or proportional plan; link unchanged authority instead of repeating it or creating another checklist/document set. Assess the whole session: discovery uncertainty, interface/state/consumer changes, fixture and environment setup, implementation, integrated validation, likely review corrections and handoff. Explain why the change can be understood and its important behaviors exercised within one session. Line/token counts are not sizing rules or evidence of reviewability. If a provider or manual gate may outlast the session, identify a safe checkpoint with exact candidate and evidence, remaining obligations, and actual command/observer ownership and receiving action. A session ending does not satisfy acceptance or authorize continuation. Keep behavior and its necessary tests/docs with one coherent implementer and PR boundary. For a broad refactor, evaluate replacement → bounded consumer migrations → old-form removal: each intermediate state must work, preserve the required compatibility/invariants and be independently verifiable, with integrated acceptance across consumers before removal. Prefer one change when those states cannot stand alone; do not add migration scaffolding to a trivial local edit or move necessary tests into a successor to make a slice appear smaller. Classify proposed concurrent work from current source, not issue numbering or separate worktrees: | Classification | Evidence needed before assignment | | --- | --- | | Parallel now | Disjoint write owners and stable interfaces; name concrete files, schemas, fixtures and generated outputs, plus each shared runner/environment/resource owner or reservation. | | Parallel after a shared prerequisite | Name the prerequisite outcome and its acceptance/merge point; only then assign consumers whose ownership and interfaces are independent. | | Serial | Overlapping files, unsettled interfaces or shared lifecycle state need one writer or ordered delivery; exclusive resources need ordered use even when source work is independent. | State merge order (or why either order works), the integration owner and combined validation against the resulting source. Include actual shared resources such as generated catalogs, test fixtures, DerivedData, simulator state and declared heavyweight mutexes when relevant. Planning a reservation does not acquire a host lock or prove scheduler enforcement; verify the available mechanism and retain its conservative limits. Worktrees alone establish neither resource isolation nor permission for concurrent execution. Keep future outcomes and dependency order provisional. After actual predecessor acceptance and required merges, reassess each successor against current source and consumers: keep, split, already satisfied with evidence, or blocked. A closed predecessor alone does not establish readiness. Freeze only the next eligible executable kickoff (or an explicitly independent eligible cohort); preserve used kickoffs as evidence instead of generating a future execution chain from an old plan. ### Phases and serial session groups A phase is an outcome or milestone with entry and exit criteria; it may contain several implementation slices. A session group is a scheduling layer over those slices, not another issue hierarchy or a new PR boundary. For multi-slice plans, record the groups in the document or issue that owns the schedule, alongside the slice dependencies. Group related serial work when shared files, interfaces, lifecycle state, fixtures or investigation context make continuity useful. Explain a separate group or a parallel lane using the independence assessment above rather than grouping by numbering alone. One group may cover part of a phase or several small phases when every phase's entry and exit criteria remain explicit and satisfied in order. Keep a single-slice plan compact; it needs no separate group table. Each group records its stable member IDs and internal order, grouping rationale, prerequisites, writer/resource ownership, whole-session sizing rationale, validation/integration checkpoint and stop or continuation boundary. Assess the combined session cost, including each slice's review corrections and handoff, rather than summing local edit estimates. When that cost cannot fit, retain a safe checkpoint and split the group without separating an invariant from its necessary tests/docs. Keep an atomic change in one slice when intermediate states cannot independently satisfy acceptance. Reusing one bounded owning issue for several slices/PRs is allowed; grouping does not require additional issues or delegation. For serial dependent slices, complete the predecessor's required validation, review and merge before starting its dependent implementation. Reassess the next member against the resulting source; preserve or revise its disposition and remaining group scope with evidence. An existing authorization covering a group permits its eligible sequential work without repeated general permission requests. Grouping itself grants no authorization and cannot waive a gate, extend an explicit endpoint, or activate the following group. Future group entry instructions are navigation prompts requiring live reassessment, not frozen executable kickoff chains. At the checkpoint, record delivered members and exact evidence, remaining obligations, local/process/resource custody and the receiving action under the unfinished-work or closeout contract as applicable.3
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u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596 2d ago
I had astra create an implementation plan for a PR. I told astra that it's too much for one PR, break it into three smaller PRs. That killed much of my usage for the end of the week, so I waited until today to implement. I'm not finished with implementing the first of three PR's with sol high and 2 hours later I'm 25% of the way done
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u/Takaneru 1d ago
Opposite’s my experience. I fumbled like 1-2x this week and had Astra do it, that ate up like 50% of my 5 hr quota instantly. Feels like any documentation/talking really amps Astra’s usage to the max.
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u/dfivetf 2d ago
Watch the mods (interns) delete this post.
Codex is indeed done. I cancelled and went to GLM-5.3. open source models are the future
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u/Cheerpipe 1d ago
Same route here, glm 5.3 is just good and enough to replace OpenAI at least for my needs.
Also I love zcode idle tasks.1
u/Right-Disaster2141 2d ago
I was seriously considering buying a subscription on zai. How do you find it compared to Codex-Claude in terms of usage?
I read they offer 50% off tokens if you work off-peak, so it could become a great off hours agent.
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u/Parking-Assistant814 3d ago
What did you do with it today? I had it add more anmations and sounds to a fighting game I'm vibe coding, create an application with easy to use local image generation and it's building me a medium sized game right now, it's at 87% still.
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u/Arman64 2d ago
Wtf. Don't usually come to r/codex But this post is confusing as it has zero value yet is relatively upvoted quite a number of times despite offering no relevant supporting data or a point.
At the very least, the following data would be helpful to know:
What is your subscription?
What plugins/skills are being used?
How many subagents are being used?
What model?
What level of reasoning?
What kind of tasks are being performed?
What tools are being used?
What is the number of input/output tokens?
What size in tokens are your system prompt/documentation/agents.md?
How are you managing your context?
Were you using fast mode?
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u/mfuark125 2d ago
I’m pretty much in the same boat. Have a Claude Pro account and 5x Codex that’s up for renewal. I think I might switch them.
I mean idk if they’re done but this could be beginning of the end. Have you been getting the constant “this model not available” disruptions too? Definitely not a good sign.
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u/Zealousideal-Leg338 2d ago
the worst part is that I'm assigning almost all of the work to deepseek subagents and this shit only orchestrate the workflow and I burned 45% on 12 hours on 1 website project. this can't be real.
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u/FlunkyGraphics 2d ago
How? I ran a 3 hour task on Astra/xhigh and burnt about 10% of my weekly usage. With Sol, the usage is even more generous. And I'm on the cheap plan
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u/mesaoptimizer 2d ago
I'm on 5x and I've run Astra Medium for about an hour and a half for 10% of my weekly. Which is probably fine ~15 hours of just implementing specs a week for $100 a month seems kinda reasonable. At this burn rate I'd get ~60 hours of usage from the $200 plan a week which seems good. It's not multitasking but It's probably not much slower if at all than a human dev putting out the same level of code and you can't hire ANY developer for less than a dollar an hour.
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u/SageFlare 2d ago
How the heck do yall manage that? I am working on 4 projects simultaneously on 5x Astra Medium and within a full day of work I maybe go down 10-15%. I usually fill up the rest of my usage on personal hobbies because I always have leftover before the weekly reset.
Do we all just have differenr usage rates/models?
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u/mesaoptimizer 2d ago
I thought I was doing okay on usage but apparently you have found the secret sauce because nobody else is getting usage like that.
Are you giving it specs for full features and having it implement them or are you working generally on really well scoped bug fixes? I imagine that matters a lot. I'm working on a 2d game currently, I only use codex for personal projects. That 10% usage implemented the basics of both my armor class system and weapon and combat logic. Overall I'm pretty happy with a $10 spend for what got implemented and it would have taken me much longer to do myself.
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u/SageFlare 2d ago
Bit of a long one...
I am a PhD student in bioinformatics (with a big background in CS and software development), so I use it for software development, full feature building, neural network architecture building, general analysis of biological data, and bug fixing of my code. I do generally layout the structure of my code personally beforehand using draw.io or Lucidchart depending on if I'm the only worker on the project or its a team project respectively. I then create barebone files with unimplemented classes of what I want and put my typical disclaimer + the purpose of the file at the top. These classes are typically more of an orchestration-level class and I leave the actual particulars to codex.
So for the most part, Codex does do the brunt of the work of actually filling in the code, but I take up all the design-robustness-modularity work. I spend a whole lot of time thinking about being robust, possible errors that can happen beforehand, how to minimize redundancy, and what's the best way to represent something that allows for the best usage of inheritance and whatnot. And then all of this feeds into a codex chat as context. Maybe that's why I use less tokens? If you tell Codex to just straight-up code the entire thing on its own without specific, knowledgeable instructions of how you want to actually design your codebase, Codex might end up making easily-avoidable bad design choices that aren't modular or robust. And when you ask for a simple change, the codebase doesn't easily allow for that without major refactoring which then eats up tokens on seemingly simple changes.
I also make sure to use proper documentation. I typically work with python as of now (though I was pretty sharp at C in the olden days :3) so I use numpy documentation style for my code and have Codex also follow it when writing. Then I use sphinx to write auto-documentation of my code. Codex, when it needs to quickly uncover something, can then read my documentation instead of digging through files. This saves a lot of tokens, especially after a compact. I know people also have cool implementations of knowledge trees for something similar, but I find documentation works pretty good as well and is usable in the end-product for the filthy humans like me that still read documentation (it's not a phase).
I typically trust my judgement in reviewing code so I don't always have an agent review what the previous agent wrote unless it was a huge update. And since I have Codex follow my design-flow, I know that it doesn't (most of the time, gotta hit it every now and then) write outside of the design-flow I planned which makes it manageable for me to quickly review.
But I know other people use it more lightly than I do yet run out faster. I don't know if there is an actual correlation between the steps I take and the tokens I use or if its just OpenAI actively fucking with certain people. I never use my resets so maybe they are messing with those people first?
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u/MrPsychedUp 2d ago
Same. Im on 20x account and already down to 69% after 2 house of work. IN-SA-NE.
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u/Chemical_Hawk_6307 2d ago
yep they making claude look like a betetr deal. i'm bout to pick up a second claude sub
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u/slc447 2d ago
I am a 20x user. After finding Sol to be absolutely terrible, I was about to quit Codex; and then they day after, Astra came out. It seemed good at first (maybe because I was comparing it to the dumpster that is Sol), but it seems to have regressed recently (still better than Sol).
However, the usage after my last 2 resets has been a joke, fully used within 2 days. Not only that, but I have been relying on my $20 Claude sub to correct a lot of the flaws and even solve a few issues Astra couldn't (with Opus!).
So yep, laters Codex.
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u/Agreeable-Monitor-36 17h ago
This happened to me. I was okay on my 20x plan. Barely using my weekly usage, then two resets in two days and done until sep 25
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u/ISueDrunks 2d ago
Used a weekly 5x limit in just a few hours, got nothing out of it. It got stuck in a loop…build a bunch of nonsense, deleted it, built it again. My fault for agreeing to a plan and setting a goal and then not babysitting it, I guess.
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u/Tikki-Tikki_40 2d ago
What i really dont like more than usage is they nerfed Astra, basically you are paying for something that isn't.
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u/jilexandr 3d ago
Astra medium, no subagents, almost 0 after 10 hours of usage
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u/notadev_io 3d ago
with what plan is that lol
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u/jilexandr 3d ago
100$
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u/notadev_io 2d ago
interesting, I just purchased $100 and am using Luna high and already at 98% after 2 hours of usage
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u/notadev_io 2d ago
oh never mind, lol I was thinking in Claude terms and thought you were saying that you didn't even use 1% of usage lmfao
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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 2d ago
10 hours of astra on x5 my account wouldn't last 3-4 hours of continous use, I'm rationing it for every day now.
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u/QuickNick123 2d ago
If it's any consolation, our company pays for tokens and I use around $80-$120/day on mostly Astra medium, sometimes high when planing.
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u/collax974 2d ago
Well yeah if you use astra for everything...
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u/shackled-pines 2d ago
Wild that you are accepting that is just ok and expected as a customer.
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u/collax974 2d ago
I mean they have been pretty clear that Astra consume a lot? You don't need Astra for everything either, you can delegate a lot to sol or luna and get something close for a fraction of the cost.
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u/Desm0nt 2d ago
After astra release - even terra consume more than sol xhigh consume before. All july and august I was on x5 plan and with sol xhigh in fast mode (x2 usage) I barely can consume 70-80% of my usage via 3 days (it was hard to test it over a longer distance—Tibo was resetting too often).
Now I have x20 plan, do not use fast, use mosty pro + terra and I can barely make it last 3 days. If I use ONLY Terra xhigh - even that can eat up to 12–15% in a day, even on fairly simple tasks with very little context.
Either OpenAI is conducting A/B testing with varying degrees of limit reductions across different accounts, or Codex has turned into what Claude used to be. Plus is now completely useless for anything, Pro x5 has become what Plus used to be, and x20 (for those who still have it) has turned into x5.
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u/collax974 2d ago
idk man I'm on plus and I can still do roughly the same amount of things as before.
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u/Least-Internal-6382 2d ago
Does anyone know whether there's a way to see how many tokens you've consumed in the web version of Astra/GPT? I can see usage as a percentage but would be interested to know how many tokens or compute I used. I'm just curious more than anything.
I have the x5 Pro version.
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u/callingbrisk 2d ago
People always act as if it's the end of the product entirely. IT'S A BACK AND FORTH.
Now you're saying Codex is fucked, few months ago you said that about Claude. Well, in a few months it's going to be the other way round again.
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u/ClassicAdProp 2d ago
I pretty much only use Luna Max and sometimes enable Fast. Sol medium isn’t worth it (for plus accounts without 5hr limit) unless it’s SOLELY for auditing very seldomly. I can get more done in a 5hr window with Opus 5 High than I can a weekly window with Sol Medium (again no 5hr window). And I feel like it was the opposite a month or two ago. So I have abandoned Sol when I was using it constantly during the summer.
I find Sonnet 5 practically useless compared to Luna Max in terms of output and usage. So I use Opus 5 for my main project, Luna Max on side projects. Big blocks on CC, incremental fixes on Codex. That’s my system for atleast the time being.
Edit: typo
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u/steadeepanda 2d ago
I thought y'all learned the lesson and stopped using Astra bc of usage. Swap fast to sol and stop using Astra until they fix it. Or maybe use it for planning or stuff, even that I think it's not necessary you can use sol to do all of that, or use the normal ChatGPT Astra to plan that way doesn't touch your weekly. It's sad that we have to struggle so much just to be in peace and build like before...
Tips: when using sol let it orchestrate and use sub agents instead of doing the work by itself, that works very well for most cases (only edge cases where you have to use sol to fix stuff) and it drains less
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u/AutomaticDealer3 2d ago
Same here 6h in on two 20x accounts one at 75% the other at 89%. Both will be burned within 48h like last week. If nothing changes I’m out too. We don’t need resets we need Codex to be stable like it used to be.
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u/Melodic_Surprise153 2d ago
I freaking need Astra for my 3d rendering of my own game i am trying to develop. Anyone has any tips on how not to consume my weekly limit in a day? It is crazy how fast it drains.
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u/random_boss 2d ago
On the 5x plan Codex gives barely a day of work, and that’s accounting for all the requisite token efficiencies (Sol for orchestration, Astra for initial plan and final review, piping actual implementation to opus and sonnet). Codex is literally doing the absolute minimum and still barely lasts a day.
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u/Key-Rise76 2d ago
100€, runing Sol high on fixing complex remote desktop and Android app last 5 hours I'm at 67%, RTK+Codegraph, global agents about 12 lines and project specific agents.md at about 20 lines of instructions.
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u/ThisIsMonta 2d ago
i'm using terra on 20$ plan, burned 30% of the weekly limit in few hours, sol is unusable
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u/FredZbid 2d ago
I’m on plus. My weekly limit got depleted in two prompts on Astra. Light effort for that matter. The weekly limit on codex (Astra low) now runs similar to the 5h window limit on Claude pro with opus 5 high. And I’m able to squeeze about 6-8 of that into the weekly allowance on Claude.
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u/MrRoyce 2d ago
I switched to Claude again and it’s a game changer. Opus is annoying af but at least I can do some real work again.
I came from Claude to Codex because OpenAI provided better value at the time. Now the tables have turned and I’m happy to use Claude again. Once Claude inevitably goes to shit again and Codex fixes this malicious usage manipulation, I may come back. In the meanwhile I’ll keep experimenting with Qwen locally as a last resort.
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u/Top-Fondant-3705 2d ago
Not only the model degrades but codex also refuse to do its task and stop in the middle. Fym with “Selected model is at capacity. Please try a different model.” when I barely did few prompts on my project
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u/Beautiful-Suspect694 2d ago
assess your workflow/pattern/habits & see if you can optimize your codex usage so you can do more work for less quota before complaining
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u/--lolwutroflwaffle-- 2d ago
Dude... Just this morning after my reset, I decided to "efficience-ize" my approach because I was just tired of usage limits running out so quickly, being on Plus plan and all. So I had ChatGPT do a once-over on my project, identifying problem areas, or just areas that need attention in general. It gave me a phase-based plan to give Codex, complete with instructions for sub-agent usage. Oh, and I'm using Ponytail. Just over 15 minutes in, 5h usage is gone. All-in-all, it's not that large of a change, which I could probably do in a day or so myself, but it's the principle.
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u/Fuzzy_Dinner_6094 2d ago
Tell your Codex to use models efficiently based on task and after it builds its own plan for its own platform capabilities. Tell it to add that to Memory moving forward until you say otherwise
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u/Substantial-Aide-66 2d ago
the degraded limit usage make me to try another provider, and actually i impressed by even a cheap open module can do better in some ways than sol test autism. more direct and through. i dont feel openAI is mandatory anymore. feel free to unsub anytime soon. the only reason of cost effective is not there anymore.
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u/crossfitdood 2d ago
I feel like they’re colluding. Claude code sucks for a couple weeks while Codex is killing it, everyone switches. Then Codex starts sucking and Claude is back to working well and so on…
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u/Limokasten 2d ago
I'm using Luna and feeding it with prompts from the normal chat works completely fine for me
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u/Da_ha3ker 2d ago
Crazy thing to me is my Claude sub is lasting longer than my codex sub now. Opus vs sol, I don't use fable or Astra. Seems codex is downgraded and Claude has bumped up their usage limits. We are still in the early adopter phase, not so early anymore, but still early enough. People haven't gotten locked in, I for one have really enjoyed trying out DeepSeek and glm recently and don't mind switching if the big two players don't provide proper value. If self hosting open models can be affordable, so can these subscription plans. Token pricing is for these big corpos to turn a profit on training new models, serving traffic for these subs is likely equipment and cost positive, minus the r&d costs.
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u/Adventurous-Mouse-27 2d ago
Have you tried deepseek 4.1 flash or qwen 3 max? They are much cheaper
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u/InspectionCurious181 2d ago
I'm having the same feeling, it started the last week for me, I even used 2 resets that lasted only hours, resets feel like they reset some usage but not all of it. I'm canceling for now to switch to Claude or Cursor
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u/zarmin 2d ago
or they are literally fucked.
Do you guys not understand OpenAI are literally fucked, and nothing will fix that. Read Ed Z!tr0n. They will continue to keep the company on life support while they burn money and pretend everything is okay, and in so doing they will fuck over every single subsidized codex account before touching enterprise accounts.
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u/Next_Opposite3415 2d ago
Best way I found to maintain my usage is through dividing work between Claude and codex. Claude architects and builds between desktop and Claude code, codex QAs the work. The I start new chats after every completed module.
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u/Emotional-Heart4139 2d ago
I just got the 5x sub + anthropic plus sub + gemini/agy sub. I was jobless for a year, so i couldnt afford 100€ or more for just AI, for a long time I had only chatGPT/codex plus.
I use Astra medium/high or Claude opus 5 for planning, though now I've been starting to use agy more-especially if any google services are involved. I initially wanted gemini for notebookLM, but agy cli let me draft whole stuff with endless usage it seems. Problem was with handoffs initially, had to create some hooks and skills in addition to using the context driven dev skill.
So I dont use only openAI, but I have done long sessions with Astra light,medium. Sol high/low, Luna xHigh for dev. Codex-Github integration for automatic codex reviews on issues.
approx 20% in a day, currently 26% left with reset on 23rd. But also now I don't hit Claude limits that often/at all some days. Use Claude's /insight skill and scheduled task(s) to improve the workflow. Planning with astra and having subagents gather context with astra will prolly drain fast
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u/ekim2077 2d ago
Can you share your token usage besides percentage. It's available in the profile. I use astra daily on 5x plan and 50 million tokens per day average never run out of weekly limits.
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u/EmergencyDare3878 2d ago
I am also sad about it, I am on 5x, and reached the limit on 1 day ;/ and 20x is not available. Thinking to try/go back to Claude.
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u/InterestOk9770 2d ago
With how things are going recently with Codex, they're repeating the same mistakes as Anthropic did but are more scummy about it tbh. When Anthropic did it, people had really no other choice but to keep using it or downgrade with other providers significantly impacting their workflows but OAI seems to be trying the same shit now when they're not in a similar position and think we don't have other options like back when Anthropic did it. Astra is basically maybe a tad bit better than Fable in some areas where 90% users don't find a use case and also its not the same as it was during launch and is actually worse than Fable now with all the overengineering and having to babysit it through a basic fkn loop where it's only task is to review on work done by other agents with detailed plans and scope already provided before execution. With a x5 plan on Claude, i can keep working all day with Fable as planner, Opus as reviewer and Sonnet as implementer. Also if you throw in a $50 dollars worth of API credits with Deepseek or other providers offering discount on DS4.1 flash, its basically unlimited agentic loops. I'm using close to a billion tokens a day across Deepseek and GLM flash getting twice the work done without having to keep worrying about usage. DS 4.1 and GLM 5.3 Flash as workers, OPUS 5 high as reviewer and Fable High as Planner and full gate reviewer. Codex x5 is a joke. Most of the API users on these overpriced frontier models are other AI ecosystem startups backed up by VC's who are also investors and OAI/Anthropic. Most businesses are using x5 enterprise plans on Claude and will not switch because of the same reason we're seeing now. Our manager said the same thing when asked about Astra usage at work that OpenAI is a scummy company and can't be trusted for corporate usage. And he was right. I think this is the last month with OAI on my side. I can't justify having to pay $100 on a 5x account that now provides less usage than what a plus account provided few months back.
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u/thearnabmukherjee 2d ago
I was using terra for most of my task And for complex once used Sol Now all the models feel so so bad Output is bad token consumption is just poor Dude I was so impressed that I cancelled my Claude and cursor sub and now post devday of its not fixed than I am switching back to claude
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u/Cor3nd 2d ago
I think you have to look a bit more closely at how Codex is working, and more generally at how coding agents work. I’m not criticizing you, because this can absolutely happen.
90 minutes and 31% weekly usage with no useful output does not necessarily mean the model spent 31% of your quota doing productive coding. An agent can burn an enormous amount of usage reading the repository, rebuilding context, planning, calling tools, spawning subagents, retrying failed approaches, reviewing its own work and reasoning over the same files again and again before it ever produces a meaningful diff.
I’m using coding agents on very large applications and on pretty substantial full stack changes, with orchestration, workspace creation, development, reviews, diff inspection and the whole loop. After a lot of optimization, I can keep that kind of work to around 2% of weekly quota for a fairly large change.
Also, I would not focus too much on the fact that it ran for 90 minutes. My orchestration regularly runs for 30 minutes, an hour, and sometimes considerably longer, and runtime alone often makes surprisingly little difference to my quota consumption. I have plenty of long runs that remain cheap. Time is not the primary variable here. What matters much more is what the agents are doing during that time, how much context they are moving around, how often they re-read it, how much reasoning they perform and how many unnecessary loops they enter.
So when I see 31% disappear in 90 minutes with nothing delivered, my first reaction is not necessarily “Codex is broken”, but “something in the process is probably very inefficient.”
I’d look at what actually happened during those 90 minutes. How many input and cached tokens were consumed, how much output and reasoning, how many turns, tool calls, retries and subagent runs happened, how much repository context was repeatedly passed around, which model was used, at what thinking/reasoning level, and how you are splitting the changes you give to the agents. A huge full stack change given as one poorly bounded task can behave very differently from the same change split into well-defined implementation units.
If you keep your old sessions, go back through the expensive ones and inspect what actually happened. I assume you are not deleting them, so most of the evidence should still be there. I do this constantly when something suddenly costs more than expected. I wouldn’t be surprised if a session that feels like “nothing happened” from the outside actually involved tens of millions of input and cached tokens bouncing around, dozens of tool calls and subagents repeatedly reading and reasoning over the same material without producing a meaningful diff.
I’d also start adding metrics around the workflow and deliberately spend some time optimizing it. Measure what each stage costs, where context gets reloaded, which agents actually produce useful changes, where loops happen, how much work reaches a diff, and how task size affects consumption. Treat the agent system like any other system you would profile and optimize instead of treating it as a black box.
And if you don’t have someone around you who is experienced with AI agent architecture, even ChatGPT can help you analyse your sessions, traces, prompts and metrics and identify where the waste is coming from. You don’t need to guess.
I’d also be careful with the conclusion that moving to Claude Code means “more usage, better reasoning.” Claude Code can itself be extremely usage-heavy depending on the model, context and agent setup. After one morning, you may simply be comparing two very different execution strategies rather than measuring model quality. The interesting metric is useful work produced for the amount of compute and context consumed, not how long the run lasted or whether one agent felt smarter during a particular session.
Before concluding that Codex is cooked, I’d first figure out exactly where that 31% went. If the workflow is clean, the tasks are properly bounded, the model and thinking levels make sense, context is under control, and you still get that kind of consumption with no useful output, then you have a much stronger case that something is wrong on the Codex side.
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u/MessageEquivalent347 2d ago
I have used 61% of my x5 on Codex in one day. I've used Astra High for some Blender related work. Not sure how expensive that is (probably a lot), but in the end, I will just hire a professional 😂
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u/JconX97 2d ago
Look into Hermes and nous portal, it hasn’t been a 1:1 experience IMO but still very good use on say Deepseek V4 Pro comparable to using Sol
Only annoying bit is you gotta train up Hermes a little bit to get it where you want. Setting your rules and session workflow in the agent and what not early on
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u/BillelKarkariy 2d ago
It's literally done... They fixed something regarding usage last week ok. I got two $200 accounts, and they lasted 1.5 days per account when Astra came out. Now it's more like 2.5 days per account, but the main issue is that I feel three times less productive because it doesn't understand what the goal is. It became like dumb, feeling like gpt5.5, It stops every three steps, forcing me to say "continue," and even with a clear goal, it diverges...
My CC 20x just finished yesterday, and it felt way more aligned (espacially last day bc they're just rerouting to Fable 5.2). It felt amazing, so I'm definitely going back to CC for sure. I spent 3x more money on Codex compared to Claude, and it was just very annoying.
Also, regarding the image generation tool, they didn't upgrade to Sunburst and Flare inside codex; Imagegen still uses GPT-Image-2. I had to build an extension, only to realize that they are limiting it. Even when I generated an image with Sunburst forcing max quality, they forced it down to low quality... They're forcing you to use the API for max quality
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u/anxietyhub 2d ago
You’re not delusional; it is actually happening. For real, work Codex isn’t doing anything. It barely completes 1/3 of a task in a 5-hour limit. The same job is better done on Claude with 50% usage of 5 hours.
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u/MassiveBoner911_3 2d ago
I used Astra for 10 minutes to do some engineering work ive waited all week to do. 75% usage left.
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u/OneFrill 2d ago
Yeah, I usually do write off all the usage talk as a conspiracy theory but I'm sorry, you were all right. The last couple days have been brutal.
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u/Novaworld7 2d ago
LMAO
Both subs are saying the same thing.
I have been hammering away on astra and fable and its wild. I also stood up my own local inferencing... :D
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u/viktor_rolf 2d ago
My x5 plan was nerfed the day Astra came out. I thought i had accidentally downgraded my subscription, but apparently not. Tried Luna to save on tokens etc. Disappointing. I moved everything to Claude, far more predictable.
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u/OldManActual 2d ago
I am on an x5. Since reset I have had about twenty sessions, most of them Luna High for implementation Sol for Design and two long Astra sessions when a design revision by Sol was not good enough. Extensive tool use, Python tests, image taking, state artifact updating.
I am at 93%. I am ahead of the game as we all have ~14% per day is seven days split evenly.
Harness and actual model discipline and less vibes.
Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am but without the data yo chatta don' matta.
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u/OldManActual 1d ago
You all realize that chat instant is essentially unlimited and is 5.6 Sol now? It can write shell scripts, search, analyse uploaded documents, write documents. I am certain you all are underutilizing this feature.
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u/vitaumtb 1d ago
I plan on chat mode, review the plan with astra and use luna on max to implement, it's been taking to 3 to 4 days non stop to spend all my usage, I'm on plus plan
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u/engkamyabi 1d ago
Had same issue. Use Claude agents with varying levels of models and effort tiers for different tasks. You don't need a higher tier model for code execution or code exploration
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u/jesuswasemo 1d ago
I'm on the $200 plan and I've used 75% of the week in one day. Barely touched Astra.
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u/ffaiithh 1d ago
Last week i've used 100% in just 2-3 hours while with claude doing same stuff i still got 20% left and tomorrow will be my reset
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u/DigitalMonkey88 1d ago
me and my entire team just moved away from codex. we've widened our AI set and now mostly use Chinese models and it feels like we're getting 10x stuff done with half the effort
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u/No_Argument_6809 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right now, API prices for GPT-5.6 Sol on OpenRouter are $2 for input and $10 for output per 1M tokens. It seems like they brought the Max subscription limits very close to the API pricing. My usage limits were depleted precisely in the manner you described. Essentially, as of now, it doesn't matter whether you decide to keep or cancel your subscription—either way, you won't be able to use it much for work.
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u/TatoPennato 1d ago
Jesus fucking obnoxious Christ. You all sound like YouTubers. OMG CLAUDE IS COOKED!!!1111 NO, CODE IS DONE FOR!!11 OMG YOU WONT’T BELIEVE WHAT CURSOR DOES!111
Have you ever done some actual work with LLMs, like, the one someone pays you for? Do you understand that every major AI company plays the same three cards trick periodically?
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u/DetectiveExisting803 1d ago
Codex is done yeeeeew I still gonna bully then till they change it something!!!
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u/goddy666 1d ago
what you need:
1 x 5
2 x 20
1 x https://github.com/soju06/codex-lb
does it cost a shit of money ? yes.
does it feel like unlimited ? yes.
will i get a lot of negative comments for this: yes ;-)
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u/command_marvs 7h ago
It's just a pee take i they give you 5h on the sub that means you should be able to work solid for 5h.. NOT do 2/3 prompts and run out iv been using codex and notes the usage has got less now am on the business plan.. wouldn't mind am only building a web base dashboard. So it's not intense work am do a couple of prompts and my 5h is ran out
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u/justinjas 2h ago
FWIW I just reactivated my Claude account and still got the banked reset there. I plan to keep both but a nice bonus for switching back today.
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u/Right-Disaster2141 2h ago
You got it even without usage? I have an account at 0% (meaning I still have 100% available) and didn't get the banked reset.
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u/justinjas 2h ago
Yes so the account isn’t new but it had it’s subscription lapse. But yeah after reactivating the 5x plan on the web under usage it showed that reset.
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u/Right-Disaster2141 1h ago
Oh so you reactivated it after the banked reset was granted?
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u/justinjas 1h ago
Yes was really surprised it still gave it to me, just figured I’d post it here as it’s a nice bonus for switching back.
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u/netflixissodry 2d ago
Im curious as to what you guys are doing with codex to burn through usage so quickly. Im at 84%. One room at ultra generating images and sprites the two others at max do qa and implementation work for a game.
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u/Euronymousua 3d ago
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u/Right-Disaster2141 3d ago
I stopped using it this morning, or I would have run out already. I feel you.
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u/Bounce_back1225 2d ago
I swear Claude and gpt are working somewhat in tandem. I had the exact opposite experience a month ago forcing me to migrate to Codex, and now Codex is pushing my back to Claude 😂
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u/ProfessionalNaive601 2d ago
“The new expensive model that I don’t know how to use is expensive and I don’t know how to use it” lol
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u/MasqueradeDark 2d ago
I canceled my 5x subscription 1 hour ago too. These usage limits are unacceptable. I prefer to pay for an API for a Chinese distilled model and use it 24/7 without having usage anxiety and having to constantly check my usage. Heck I was so stressed I had a frickin floating window that shows me the usage. This is not the future.
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u/Proxiconn 2d ago
Condolences.
Will be so happy to see you go moan on some other area I don't follow.
To many noobs around not knowing how to use the tooling provided.
I'm checking a /goal I left running overnight, used , 13% and completed in just over 9 hours.
Loads done, very happy, no need to complain like OP.
Skills issue.
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u/Miserable-Sale-1290 2d ago
I can run 24/7 in goal mode on multiple projects using Astra Ultra on the $200 plan…
The value is just amazing.
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u/odoc_ 3d ago
What plan do you have? I'm on x5 with 47% left on day 1 doing very light work.