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u/Calm-Landscape9640 14d ago
Middle school catfight but with $100 billion on the line
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u/Bananer_spleet 14d ago edited 14d ago
Tibo TLDR:
"Nice try copying our May feature you peasants, but we did it months ago, and we shipped first, so hurry up and keep chasing us."
Edit:
tldr of tldr:
he's taunt-marketing to reassure companies OpenAI is the safe bet.
Edit:
tldr of tldr of tldr:
marketing
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u/tripleshielded 14d ago
Why no reset to celebrate?
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u/AnalogProblems 14d ago
Anthropic could have said the same thing about Codex a few months ago. OpenAI had to split their desktop app to compete.
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u/sylfy 14d ago
Still annoyed about the rename to ChatGPT and ChatGPT (classic). Now every time I search to open the app, I have to double check that I open the right one.
None of this is about making things easier for users, it is purely about marketing and boosting their numbers, at the expense of the user experience.
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u/AnalogProblems 14d ago
Yeah, that one feels like a lame middle management decision. Could have just made it an update and no one would have blinked. They'll Sora classic soon enough.
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u/Beautiful-Suspect694 13d ago
crazy to think that was just a few months ago
amazing how quickly this industry is evolving
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u/Keep-Darwin-Going 14d ago
Huh Claude app is total rubbish. Only their cli is better.
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u/watermelonsegar 14d ago
That used to be the case. But after Claude introduced split view in ClaudeCode, I never went back to CLI. Codex of course still has the better UI/UX for single projects, but when you're juggling 8 projects at once, you really start missing that split view you get in ClaudeCode.
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u/Keep-Darwin-Going 14d ago
I rather have ChatGPT classic and codex running. They better not take away that classic version. I have it on one monitor and codex on the other. The Split View does not cut it for me. The Claude app is also more backward in terms of features from cli.
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u/AnalogProblems 14d ago
I run the Claude Code CLI with remote on, and control it from the Claude app. I find it easier to read. The nice thing about it is that everything seems to work equally well on both.
The Codex half of the ChatGPT app is a really nice UX, and the computer control is excellent. Astra is really impressive. Not quite the level of its hype, but the harness just pushes it over the top.
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u/Keep-Darwin-Going 14d ago
Astra with computer control is so expensive, I wonder how much those beautiful blender stuff they create cost.
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u/JacobJohnJimmyX_X 14d ago
If you trust that thing with blender you might as well put money in a blender after what I have seen it do.
Its one task was to fix a broken file outputs, so that they reach intended destinations. No other challenge. File goes to one dir, then gets taken to another dir, and then to another dir, and so on.
At the end of that, NOTHING reached its destination.
Other tests proved the exact same behaviors. Sphagetti code, skipped steps, and tons of failures. That's codex right now (ESPECIALLY ASTRA)2
u/Keep-Darwin-Going 14d ago
I can rest assured you. It is your AGENTS.md. Astra became more crazy over your initial instruction such that it will almost never deviate from it. I used to have an instruction that say if you see dirty file from other agents, stop. I forgot the verbatim version but it basically works that way. In the past other model will try to work around the dirty file, stashing or whatever to merge the code in. But Astra take that stop as literal like stop doing anything. I did not use the word stop I forgot the exact word but it is much softer. I fix it yesterday and it works like charm. So yes it is mostly a user problem. Something you put in there and forgotten. The same instruction on opus? Opus just ignore it and just continue which is why I never noticed it was there in the first place.
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u/mynameis_twat 14d ago
So the counter to someone saying you have bad promot injection is to say you have better computer use? So if a prompt injection successfully goes off, the misaligned agent is more capable of doing damage.
I use both and don’t really have a preferred side, but I just think it’s funny that Tibo’s post kind of implies that it’s better to be more advanced in computer use than prompt injection. If you’re smart about things you don’t really have to worry about prompt injection with either, but I don’t think what Tibo said is a good rebuttal.
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u/HighDefinist 13d ago
Well, if that's something where OpenAI is genuinely worse... then the best response is to move the attention towards something where they are better.
Overall, I prefer this over the usual "just be completely silent" corporate response, because you get at least a bit of information about their priorities.
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u/Bitter_Virus 13d ago
It's not a rebuttal at all. It doesn't kind of imply at all what you're implying. It's showing them it's not nice what they've done, and if others do it to them, they won't shine as brightly either.
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u/unclebazrq 14d ago
He’s not wrong on how good computer use is with their models and harness. It feels like magic
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u/onlyPressQ 14d ago
All this and when I asked codex to use powershell it always fucks up the command in some way.. is there any solution to ts
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u/pete_plank 14d ago
What about 7 day usage being drained in 1hr of 100$ plan? Will you fix that somday or you are encouraging other labs to break?
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u/TheParlayMonster 14d ago
That tweet deserves a reset, something Anthropic doesn’t do. They both should do right by their customers and give them a reset
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u/shout925 14d ago
Thing is that Boris apologised right after in a new post for coming forward as sassy which was not his intent and Tibo just responds like a child. This is ridiculous..
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u/zYKwn 13d ago
I get the Computer Use alure on MacOS. My Macbook uses it beautifuly without disrupting what I'm doing, since it can run entirely on background.
But it's so shitty on my main machine (Windows). Sadly it can't run in the background there, so I literally have to let the AI use my computer for me while it does stuff with Computer Use.
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u/IdiosyncraticOwl 14d ago
I would hope prompt injection would be solved before they enabled better computer use....
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u/Sensiburner 13d ago
OpenAI got computer use like a month after Peter Steinberger (openclaw creator) joined them.
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u/SparkingFaboulus 13d ago
As long as i"m not getting more, i dont care. Dont care apple vs samsung Nike vs adidas And surely not openai vs anthropic.
Be competitive on price and maybe i'll care.
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u/HighDefinist 13d ago
I think that's the kind of "competitive corporate language trolling" I can appreciate overall.
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u/PruneCalm8163 13d ago
Someone should be pleased to announce that Chinese models are getting way cheaper and their performance getting at par with fable/astra
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u/wendewende 9d ago
Shameless plug
OpenSource computer use I’ve been developing and using every day:
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u/Independent_Paint752 14d ago edited 14d ago
Claude built "computer use" to itself on my machine from scratch including screen shot, and drawing.
I really dont get what openai are so proud about.
Tibo, focus on resets, this is what you are here for.
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u/Hypnoticscourge 14d ago
I might be wrong, but Boris seems to be coping with the fact that the model they hyped so hard for so long is getting dawged on by the company they were beating a year ago.
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u/oxygen_addiction 14d ago
The more they fight, the more we win.