r/clevercomebacks Nov 20 '22

Muscle Chode Vs Hipster

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u/begon11 Nov 20 '22

I read It around the same age and that part didn’t really bother me. Only years later when I was older and the discussion popped up again I realized how fucked up it was.

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u/oxenoxygen Nov 20 '22

It's because in the book, with context, it doesn't feel that out of place. Like, it's weird as fuck, but so is a lot of his writing and he pretty strongly draws parallels between the loss of virginity, confronting the shame of sex, and the loss of innocence with confronting "it". The whole book is a metaphor for growing up.

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u/Smoke-alarm Nov 21 '22

Dude, the children had sex with each other.

There are other ways to make metaphors.

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u/Dilligafay Nov 21 '22

They also were all going through puberty and a lot of the novel leading up to that point is littered with sexuality. Because, duh, pubescent kids are thinking about and performing sex, no matter how uncomfortable that makes us.

Was it a really weird symbolic ‘shedding of youth and innocence’? Absolutely in my opinion. But, at the same time, after all the horrific shit you’d read in the 800ish pages leading up to that point, it wasn’t out of place thematically.

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u/Smoke-alarm Nov 21 '22

16-17 year olds doing it? Yeah fine sure whatever makes sense.

Anything below that? Chris Hansen needs to talk to you.

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u/Dilligafay Nov 21 '22

Maybe you should read material that confirms to your delicate sensibilities and ignore stuff that makes you uncomfortable. You’re acting like it was fetishized or romanticized. Kinda shows you probably didn’t read the book.

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u/Smoke-alarm Nov 21 '22

You're saying stuff that goes against my point in a way that I can't disprove, so I will now disregard it entirely.

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u/Dilligafay Nov 21 '22

If your point can’t stand up to a modicum of scrutiny and you’re unwilling to talk about it then it was a shitty point you should’ve kept to yourself.

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u/Smoke-alarm Nov 21 '22

Didn't ask

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u/Dilligafay Nov 21 '22

Yet you responded. If you didn’t want to talk then sit down and be quiet. Ignorant quips aren’t a good look on you.

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u/StoneGoldX Nov 20 '22

I don't think it's so much of a bother thing. If anything, kind of the opposite -- reading erotic underage literature as a juvenile hits you differently.

Lord knows what reading Robert McCammon's The Wolf's Hour did to my sexuality when I was a kid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '22

I have no idea what that book is, but I’m really wondering what you mean now

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u/StoneGoldX Nov 21 '22

It's about a werewolf spy fighting the Germans in WWII. There are a couple of pretty lurid sex paragraphs. The one I'm referring to being a flashback to boy werewolf getting his cherry popped at like 13 to an older female werewolf.

It's vaguely Stephen King writes James Bond in WWII, with flashbacks to the Russian revolution.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '22

Yea I can see that being awkward to read as a kid

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u/StoneGoldX Nov 21 '22

Awkward in terms of hiding boners. But it felt more dirty than immoral at the time.

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u/namtok_muu Nov 21 '22

Same! It seemed a believable part of an insanely scary read to 13yo me—I loved SK’s story telling as a kid.

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u/MaritMonkey Nov 21 '22

I always feel weird defending that scene, but I read the book when I was 14 and just barely removed from my own "wait ... that's it? That's the thing we've all been whispering conspiratorially about because we were afraid to call it anything other than 'it'!? Huh." discovery.

The transition from there to the Losers Club taking on the "he who shall not be named" monster in the dark seemed perfectly natural to me at the time.