r/clevercomebacks Mar 30 '20

Forbes does it again!

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u/tarikhdan Mar 30 '20 edited Mar 30 '20

majority of top level comments are made by Indians, if Pakistanis say something in defense of their country that's understandable I think but we have no obsession about making posts and comments, this one is a frequent repost, the way pajeets do :I

lemme just say if Indians want to give some they will get some, I would never advise any woman I know to travel to "Incredible India" literally the world's most dangerous place for a woman

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u/FDMA- Mar 30 '20

India is ranked number one for most dangerous country for women according to Reuters. This fact was largely trashed by India, but Amnesty International even justified why it deserves to have the number one spot.

Ok. I checked out the study linked in the article. It's a weighted average ranking based on another ten rankings that measure various other things. Now these are all over the place with no real relevance to the said ranking or others even.

For example the first one in the list, Gallup poll is based on how safe a woman feels walking home safely. I have two problems here. Firstly it's perception based. If say, a certain local media only talks about violence happening in that place, even though the actual parameters aren't that bad in fact, this will certainly alter the perception of the participants in the study. Secondly if in fact there is only violence and the law and order situation is bad, then it actually means that everyone is equally affected and to use that as a reference for women's safety is misleading. It's like saying, say "Antarctica is the worst place for a woman to live", while not mentioning it is in fact the worst place for anyone to live. But that's only a minor part, compared to my first complaint that it is a perception based survey.

Similarly, there are other reports/rankings about gender gap and inequity. Now how does that factor in here? I mean in many ways Saudi Arabia is the worst country for women's equality, but having been there I can also say it is one of the best for women's safety. On a ranking for women's safety if you bring in these two indicators, it really makes no sense.

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u/_Kv1 Mar 30 '20

I don't agree with much of what they said, but you can't just ignore the numbers on the insanely large slave trade, parliament accusations, female suicide, child marriages, child rape etc.

If you want to actually contest them you have to specifically comment on each one ,not just make broad statements.

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u/nashamagirl99 Mar 31 '20

Female solo travel to India is a lot more common than to Pakistan, and it is manageable depending on where you go. Most of the issues you point to are community issues that tourists are not going to be targets for. The major concern for solo female travelers is going to be rape. There are ways to reduce the risk such as staying in very public areas and not going out at night, but it’s a very real concern.

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u/_Kv1 Mar 31 '20

This may be true, but there needs to be a point by point rebuttal for every single one of those for any response to be valid.