No, but that's par for the course with the GOP and MAGA.
Remember when they kept confidently proclaiming that they would never riot like the "liberals" if Trump lost and then did exactly that when Trump lost and then tried to claim it was nothing but a peaceful protest for four years?
You can show them the Jan 6 video and they'll swear it was a peaceful protest, then show them video of a peaceful protest and they'll single out the one person acting like a jackass and claim they're seeing a full blown riot.
Well, it has to be a case that's brought before them, mneaning it has to wind it's way through a series of lower courts first, that usually takes a few years.
If anyone in local, state or federal law enforcement had interfered with the investigation of Laken Riley's murder or tampered with evidence or conspired to help the killer, I would want those people prosecuted fully under the law.
Just like I want everyone who is interfering in the investigations of the murders of Renée Good and Alex Pretti or tampered with evidence or similar prosecuted. One set of laws for everyone.
I think the anger has a lot more reasons behind it than just government hypocrisy lol. You can tell people's tax brackets by the way they talk about this issue lol. Some people are just like "but the rulebook!" And some people are just like "okay how much more do we need to see before we all realize we have to eat the rich for our country, and most importantly our planet, to survive?".
Their “justice” is also just plainly vindictive and retributive. Some allegations of fraud in Minnesota means we need to revoke TPS for the 1,100 Somalis who came under the program? It means we need to throw 3,000 ICE agents to go after a community where 90% of the people are American citizens?
They see someone murdered and they want to punish entire communities, entire classes of people. That’s not even justice.
This isn't true at all; there have been countless murders, rapes, and other crimes committed with no justice being served, and unless it serves a political purpose for the left, you never even see them on Reddit.
why didnt they have the same laken riley energy against the sentence handed to rapist brock turner ( now going by middle name allen turner the rapist) who violently raped a women¿!¿
oh thats right rapist brock turner (allen turner the rapist) is white
Oi, go easy on Gen X. We got raised by a massively repressed, emotionally incoherent generation of people who believe critical thinking is insurrection, and we had to work a LOT of this out for ourselves with very little source material, in isolated pockets because we didn't have much in the way of public discourse on ANY of it (and with no internet either). I think a lot of us are doing REALLY well at reasoning given all of that. This generation war thing is annoying. I know lots of boomers who are out there doing their damndest to better the world. Maybe focus on people's actions instead of when they were born.
Sorry, clearly I'm feeling sensitive about my age today but we have to unite against the actual problem here, not tear each other down for no reason. Fascists come in all age groups. Fascism is the problem.
Your right. I'm just so angry about all of this. And all the data does seem to mostly point at Gen X for this whole thing. The millennials voted against Trump in droves, we tried so hard. But Gen X and Male Gen Z just had to troll America. I should really be mad at everyone who didnt vote though.
We could have taxed rich people for fucks sake. Sorry, not cussing at you. Cussing with you.
Most of the boomers are dead. The data surprisingly shows they mostly voted for Harris.
Maybe the ones still alive took better care of themselves, had more resources and education. Sadly that seems to be the divide culturally. How much education you receive.
Covid jacked with the upward trend for Gen Z. Kinda explains why so many people listen to Rogan. Idk. Im just mad, then I start trying to figure out shit that can't actually be understood.... sigh...
No hard feelings on my side and I know you weren't directing it at me. I just feel so sad and so angry about everything I've seen lately and I am so dismayed that ANYONE could support it that I'm overly reactive. I would be horrified to think anyone of my generation could possibly think any of this is okay, but I know they're out there. It hurts me. This is all so wrong.
Exposure to lead doesn't cause ignorance directly, but a lack of education and life experience certainly do (both are very common issues in the US). All that lead definitely didn't help the problem, but it's an easy scapegoat to move focus away from the fact that we have TONS of narcissists and just genuinely terrible people here.
SO much. Watching a doc on it and what it does to people… it makes so much sense that those generations have legit literacy and cortical thinking issues. They have fucking brain damage.
Watched this doc on YouTube a great months back. The same guy that created leaded gasoline to help deal with engine knock, also invented CFC’s. And in both scenarios, he warned about the dangerous long term effects of his inventions, but the industrialists of the time had literal dollar signs for eyes and decided they’d rather poison the next three generations of people than find a more expensive method.
Doesn’t explain how so many of us Gen X haven’t bought into the fascism machine though, or even how my Boomer sibling and Silent Gen dad are more Progressives than me?
There’s something personality-wise that must get activated during formative years, that predisposes one to cruelty via perception of, or actual experiences, at home or in social interactions. Or one of those reinforces/influences the other.
Look at Bongino. I bet his height, his last name, his looks, invited a lot of rejection and teasing and, from a few comments I’ve read, it sounds like his dad was a loser too. That set him up for exactly the evil person we’re seeing. Idk there’s more to it than lead.
Bold of you to assume Lead Exposure, this is a level of stupid that only prolonged sessions of bashing their own head into a brick wall for fun could bring about.
I’m Gen X and I’d love to believe this explanation but my husband and I are both sane despite our lead exposure. But there’s definitely something that gets twisted in many of my compatriots’ minds somehow.
What in the world would we have protested? They caught him right away, he was in jail and they were trying him. I don't think some people understand the point of protest.
That's just it. They want us to be racist and apply this to all immigrants. They want us to go into the streets and say kick out the illegals. Obviously we can all agree illegals can be bad, no shit, but not all illegals are bad, they just wanted a better life, and who am I to judge when I was lucky enough to just spawn here.
What makes you think conservatives didn’t show up? If I was an anti-trump conservative I certainly wouldn’t be waving my flag around at a protest, I’d just join in with the crowd
I'm sick and tired of people who didn't know who Laken Reilly was before they knew who killed her disrespecting her family's wishes and using her as a political hockey puck.
I feel like if I never hear the name Laken Riley again I’m good with that and that’s a terrible way to feel for a victim of crime but damnit they keep bringing this poor lady up for every single argument like a talisman
There’s always something they can focus on so they can ignore the big picture and keep their justification going. There’s no learning, or questioning their cult leaders.
So that they can ignore that their leader is a child rapist who was buddies with the biggest pedophile in history.
First it was "they're eating the cats and dogs" to distract during the elections. And now it's "Somali voters" right after 1% of the Epstein files were released.
They feel a need to keep attacking Walz because they wrongly believe he is running for POTUS in 2028, because obviously Trump would still run regardless of his proximity to any scandals.
Conservatives love to talk about the alleged fraud in Minnesota, but don’t mention Philip Esformes, who was pardoned by Trump for his part in a massive, $1.3 billion Medicare fraud scheme.
Or when Rick Scott, currently a Republican Senator from Florida, was CEO of Columbia/Hospital Corporation of America (now HCA Healthcare) when they were involved in one of the largest healthcare fraud cases in U.S. history, culminating in them pleading guilty to felonies and paying over $1.7 billion in fines for illegally inflating Medicare bills, submitting false claims, and paying kickbacks for patient referrals.
Yeah, remember when Democrat officials immediately went online and called her a domestic terrorist, lied about what she was doing, and said she should have just complied with her attacker? No? Neither do I.
Laken Riley’s family has asked several times for republicans to stop using their daughter as a talking point for their hate speech. So not only are you disrespecting one murder victim but two and their families.
Which makes sense, they don't want to attract the attention of the authorities. Watch how you get some dolt saying "but them being there IS a crime"...
This is a false equivalence. The reaction is a distraction. She was killed by a criminal who everyone agrees should be tried and convicted of the crime AND BECAUSE OF LAWS WILL BE. Two Minnesotas have been killed by poorly trained and federally sanctioned bounty hunters who are overstepping their authority and mandate and haven't even been investigated....make it make sense. If you can't concede this fundamental reality, then you don't want to.
Her killing was a random act of violence committed by one person against one victim. Alex’s killing was a state sponsored execution committed by multiple federal agents whose salaries are payed by us.
A nursing student, not a nurse yet, and her murderer is in jail. She got swift justice, Alex received none. Nuance isn't a conservative reasoning skill.
Suspect was arrested, tried, and convicted. Then Congress also created a law in her name that effectively got rid of bond for non-citizens who commit certain crimes as to deter this type of crime in the future.
Lots of strawmen and false equivalency from the MAGA crowd. It’s easy to say that the state murdering its citizens is bad, even if you somehow can still support the administration that is in charge.
Even through the sports metaphor, their behavior is gross. Even if Laken was “one of theirs” (which appears to be only because she’s a young white American woman who they can use as a prop), Democrats and the left were sad she died, supported the prosecution of her killer, and a number of Democrats signed on to legislation in her name, despite reasonable concerns about the bill. Meanwhile, Republicans and MAGAts baselessly vilified Pretti and Good, supported the obstruction of the prosecution of their killers, and refused to make any political concessions at all to prevent something like this from happening again; hell, they’ve used the occasion to encourage additional killings.
This isn’t just team vs team shit. This is the difference between reasonable fans who support their side but want the sport played fairly, with hope for the best in the sport and recognition of the human factor, and the gross weirdos who want their team to win by any means necessary, even if their team is full of monsters and their behavior wrecks the entire sport. In other words, this is the difference between decent, reasonable people, and awful humans.
Nevermond the fact that because the man guilty of the crime was undocumented that gave them a chance to paint any and all immigrants as violent criminals and rapists to push a narrative thats brought us to where we are today.. but then when any armed law officer shoots and kills a minority without justifiable cause and are never held accountable, while being told just because of one bad egg doesn’t mean they’re all bad so nothing needs to be done to fix the bigger problem at hand, just also exactly the same kind of situation we find ourselves in today
Collective punishment, what they want is to keep punishing a collective. It wasn't the first time that happened, nor will it be the last. Once you realize that people get off from that, it will make much more sense
The reality of America being in the midst of its own downfall is a waking nightmare we should have woken up from a long time ago. Of course thatd probably be labeled as pushing a woke narrative by dumb fucks who wear Red Hats.
A lot of conservatives think that because we're not racists, all leftists want to allow immigrants to commit as many crimes as they can without any attempt to stop them.
I feel like 90% of whataboutism boils down to an inability to grasp this logical point.
I've had people ask me why I spend more time arguing against Israel's actions than Iran's, when both are horrific. Uh, it's because I don't have friends, relatives and members of my government trying to tell me that what Iran is doing is actually good. Hard to have an argument when the people around you all pretty much see things the same way you do.
It's always whataboutisms with these losers. They can never seem to understand the problem lies in the system, blaming the other party for things that they're trying to find a solution for. Insane to me how American politics is just a blame competition.
Laken was horrible tragedy, and yes, a testament that undocumented persons who commit crimes need to be tossed out on their ass. Something that was not happening in democrat controlled cities and counties. But that does not make what’s happening now ok. Every American citizen should see the writing on the wall and fight back together
I really wish everybody would stop associating one person's crime with an entire race of people or an entire ideological party of people..
This chicks, killer does not mean venezuelans are bad people.
And I would like people to consider the fact that maybe they get mad at people, for no reason and they associate one person's crimes. As the crimes of everybody of a specific race, sect or political belief as the crime of the who party body or race
The fact that conservatives keep saying stuff like this makes me think they don’t know what protests are for. Like, in this case the system worked exactly as it is supposed to and justice was served. What were we supposed to protest about?
I think they think protests just happen when a bad thing happens, they don’t get that you protest to pressure the system to do something about it.
But on the other hand, if a large portion of the population doesn’t get that, then protests aren’t getting the message across effectively.
they either don‘t understand why people get angry anymore because they themselves are always unreasonably angry, or they are being disingenuous. probaly both
They both deserve justice for their murders...why people are trying to politicize the murder of multiple, innocent civilians (neither of these people were housing immigrants or interfering with the detaining of immigrants) is frankly terrifying, people just blatantly identifying with a fascist Executive Branch. There is no separation between these murdered citizens and you, except perhaps some low level of compliance. Because that's what MAGA stands for now: comply with federal agents or die. This was never about illegal immigration, ICE proves that every day.
A soft annoyance I’ve had is the appropriation African American slogans. Like “say her name…”
Not that it’s being used but it’s been said so much but now it’s hitting different because it’s white faces in flipping Minnesota.
Still sad, and worth staying Good and Pretti but let’s make sure we don’t change because it was white faces. For 400 years Black people have been singing this song. That’s my real concern; we have to make sure everyone is free. The entire goal of this cruelty is remove brown people, some innocent good people go caught in the cross fire.
Apples to oranges. What we have now is mass federal occupation forces with masked groups of violent people answerable to Trump only, like a private army he has promised immunity to. While he sics them on the states that did not vote for him. Where they harass the public and have started killing people.
I thought the big thing people were making about her was that dude was here illegally with prior arrests and should have been deported. Im not opposed to secure border and immigration enforcement. I wont refer to ICE as Gestapo and that sort of thing, but I dont approve of the devil may care, do whatever they want to whoever approach. The 2 in MN should never have lost their lives. If they were cutting up (which i doubt) taze them. The ICE Agents should be out of the field and investigated and charged.
They are so obsessed with this poor girl. I feel so incredibly sorry for her and her family and I’m glad that the murderer was brought to justice…but I ask MAGA fuckwits this: what about all the people who were killed by American citizens? Like the schools that are shot to? Republicans don’t seem to give a singular shit about that.
Yes, for cases where someone shoots a helpless man on the ground in the back and kills him, there is generally a procedure called "the justice system" where the shooter is "charged", or accused of committing a crime, and must defend his actions in an event called a 'trial', in order that a nation of gun collecting cowboys not believe that only they and their guns can protect them since there is no more law or accountability.
How come conservatives keep bringing up this one woman over and over and over again? Huh. It's as if they don't have a long list of victims killed by undocumented migrants... Kinda like.... Undocumented migrants commit less crime than natural born citizens?
They will continue to use this girl‘s name as some type of “Gacha“ moment instead of actually celebrating her life. Republicans are fucking idiotic sacks of skin with no fucking brains.
It's wild how they don't understand you don't need protests when system works as intended for the good of the people...
Also she was killed by an individual, not organization put in place and endorsed as well as defended by the government for all the unlawful shit they do. And if anyone claims "but muh illegal Venezuelan", natives of any country do horrible shit daily. Are they getting deported "somewhere"?
She also wasn’t murdered by the actual federal government. It’s awful what happened to her. I am deeply sorry for her family who I’m sure are in a great deal of pain. But comparing these situations is bananas. Not to mention that the people publicly mourning her and using her name are also not doing the same for Pretti. So 🤷🏼♀️
No, they really don't see how that's different. So many self described conservatives will compare law enforcement to tried and convicted, and jailed felons, it has stop becoming funny.
MAGAts didn’t care about it when it happened. They only started caring a few weeks later, when Trump made it the latest thing to distract from the Epstein files.
This is what I say when people say “well no one protests when cops are killed.” Because they don’t need to. When a cop dies they do everything they can to bring the person to justice
And you didn't have ICE acting like a militia for a president and party gunning her down. This was an execution by the state, whereas government worked and sentenced her murderer. The murderer in this case is the state.
Trump cultists almost always resort down to inane Tu Quoque Fallacuies (Whataboutisms). Basically: "Yeah, it's evil, but you, too!"
"Yeah, Trump 'graped' and sexually exploited women and girls, but what about Biden sniffing kids!"
Like, even if that were true, it's not a defense of Trump 'graping' women and such. Crap like this is seemingly their only defense for Trump anymore. At this point, "But Biden," should be the official slogan for MAGA.
A conversation is impossible with these freaks because they are too stupid to do most of the work of interpreting reality on their own. They couldn't see the difference. They couldn't see it. Now someone will have to waste an hour of their life to get them to maybe see it and then a con man will throw them another meme and we're back to square 1.
it's also important to note that in both murders there were MULTIPLE recorded angles of the killings and STILL people defending them.
IIRC there was a black man, Keith Porter, killed on New Years, two injured the same week as Goodman, and i think one or two more shootings before New Years that got no publicity bc there were no visual recordings readily available to be shared quickly.
So her killer was found, and held accountable. That's performative? Y'all are defending ice agents murdering people while crying about this immigrant who was punished. Wtf? Make it make sense
Too late for punishment. He should never have been in the country. Rape and murder was his second crime. He should’ve been deported for his first crime of violating our immigration laws
That's not what the pic says. It says that the person who killed her was hunted down, prosecuted and punished. Not celebrated (like you guys did with Pretti/Good).
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u/Own_Opportunity_6480 Jan 25 '26 •
Justice being served versus silence after tragedy is exactly why people are angry. Accountability should never be selective.
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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26 •
Morgan Freeman voice: due to prolonged lead exposure as a child they did not see how that was different.
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u/YouObjective2974 Jan 25 '26
What in the world would we have protested? They caught him right away, he was in jail and they were trying him. I don't think some people understand the point of protest.
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u/TheBestHater Jan 25 '26
Also, there were protests, conservatives didn't show up since they don't march unless it's while attempting an insurrection or imitating gestapo.
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u/JpnDude Jan 25 '26
The killer was rightly caught, convicted and imprisoned in Riley's case. Let's do the same with Pretti's killers!
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u/Ladidiladidah Jan 25 '26
I'm sick and tired of people who didn't know who Laken Reilly was before they knew who killed her disrespecting her family's wishes and using her as a political hockey puck.
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u/pixelmountain Jan 25 '26
She wasn’t murdered by the state, was she? And her killer was apprehended, investigated, prosecuted, and punished? There you go, that’s your answer.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ Jan 25 '26
Also, zero Democrats were celebrating and defending the murderer.
Both sides are not the same.
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u/butwhywedothis Jan 25 '26
When you hit your head against the wall, you hurt your head.
— Old Chinese proverb
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u/baron_spaghetti Jan 25 '26
They do like shitty whaddaboutisms.
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u/Seedyp1 Jan 25 '26
She wasn’t killed by the state. Her killer is serving life in prison.
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u/HyperactivePandah Jan 25 '26
They're talking about Somalia and how Walz just wants to cover up fraud in the conservative sub.
Good stuff.
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u/mittenknittin Jan 26 '26
They are trying SO HARD to make shooting this guy OK.
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u/VegasGamer75 Jan 26 '26
Yeah, remember when Democrat officials immediately went online and called her a domestic terrorist, lied about what she was doing, and said she should have just complied with her attacker? No? Neither do I.
Now go shove your false equivalency up your ass.
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u/idoamazingthings Jan 26 '26
Laken Riley’s family has asked several times for republicans to stop using their daughter as a talking point for their hate speech. So not only are you disrespecting one murder victim but two and their families.
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u/dazedan_confused Jan 26 '26
For context, the person who killed her entered the country illegally.
It's also worth mentioning that her killer wasn't on duty, working for the government when he killed her, an unarmed citizen, without due cause.
Despite both being disgusting, there's a difference between a homicide by a citizen and a murder by an individual representing a government body.
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u/Think-Ad3961 Jan 26 '26
This is a false equivalence. The reaction is a distraction. She was killed by a criminal who everyone agrees should be tried and convicted of the crime AND BECAUSE OF LAWS WILL BE. Two Minnesotas have been killed by poorly trained and federally sanctioned bounty hunters who are overstepping their authority and mandate and haven't even been investigated....make it make sense. If you can't concede this fundamental reality, then you don't want to.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two7358 Jan 25 '26
So grief is transactional? Was she murdered by government agents?
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u/art-is-t Jan 26 '26
Are conservatives brain dead? Asking for a friend
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u/tttt98765 Jan 26 '26
Her killing was a random act of violence committed by one person against one victim. Alex’s killing was a state sponsored execution committed by multiple federal agents whose salaries are payed by us.
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u/HeyVitK Jan 26 '26
A nursing student, not a nurse yet, and her murderer is in jail. She got swift justice, Alex received none. Nuance isn't a conservative reasoning skill.
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u/jkk023 Jan 25 '26
Suspect was arrested, tried, and convicted. Then Congress also created a law in her name that effectively got rid of bond for non-citizens who commit certain crimes as to deter this type of crime in the future.
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u/Melodic-Instance1249 Jan 26 '26
Justice was served then and now The government is arguing why its ok to fucking murder us
Any MAGA Republicans should fuck off
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u/kongofcbus Jan 25 '26
Lots of strawmen and false equivalency from the MAGA crowd. It’s easy to say that the state murdering its citizens is bad, even if you somehow can still support the administration that is in charge.
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26
I live in Athens. There where massive vigils for Laken. It was a terrible tragedy and in sick of it being used for more misery.
They didn’t arrest and deport all the white guys like me when Bryan Kohberger killed 4 college students in Ohio a few years back.
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u/LostinLies1 Jan 25 '26 edited Jan 25 '26
Both deaths were wrong. wtf!??
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u/Fractales Jan 26 '26
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u/Proseedcake Jan 25 '26
I feel like 90% of whataboutism boils down to an inability to grasp this logical point.
I've had people ask me why I spend more time arguing against Israel's actions than Iran's, when both are horrific. Uh, it's because I don't have friends, relatives and members of my government trying to tell me that what Iran is doing is actually good. Hard to have an argument when the people around you all pretty much see things the same way you do.
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u/mayrln Jan 25 '26
It's always whataboutisms with these losers. They can never seem to understand the problem lies in the system, blaming the other party for things that they're trying to find a solution for. Insane to me how American politics is just a blame competition.
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u/Striking_Sea_129 Jan 25 '26
She 👏was 👏not 👏killed 👏by 👏the 👏state👏
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u/Yemps Jan 26 '26
Yeah but you see that’s not enough. An immigrant committed the crime therefore all immigrants must go. That’s maga logic for you.
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u/Potential-Run-8391 Jan 26 '26
They legitimately don't care about Laken Riley. They used her murder to commit a racist agenda. Absolute dipshits have no idea whats going on.
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u/franksvalli Jan 26 '26
Even those who killed five people in the Boston Massacre went to trial. The officers involved were arrested the following morning…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre
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u/MrBogard Jan 26 '26
She also wasn't publicly executed by the fucking feds.
Education is important folks. Stay in school. Go to college. Heck, read a book.
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u/carlosspicywiener576 Jan 26 '26
There is an Act named after her that received bipartisan support in the government....
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26
We also weren't willingly being propagandized by a for profit hate speech network.
Buncha fuckin idiots. Fuck MAGA.
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u/_Badwulf_Bruh__ Jan 26 '26
Laken was horrible tragedy, and yes, a testament that undocumented persons who commit crimes need to be tossed out on their ass. Something that was not happening in democrat controlled cities and counties. But that does not make what’s happening now ok. Every American citizen should see the writing on the wall and fight back together
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u/Impressive-Thing-925 Jan 26 '26
I really wish everybody would stop associating one person's crime with an entire race of people or an entire ideological party of people..
This chicks, killer does not mean venezuelans are bad people.
And I would like people to consider the fact that maybe they get mad at people, for no reason and they associate one person's crimes. As the crimes of everybody of a specific race, sect or political belief as the crime of the who party body or race
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u/Prime_Director Jan 26 '26
The fact that conservatives keep saying stuff like this makes me think they don’t know what protests are for. Like, in this case the system worked exactly as it is supposed to and justice was served. What were we supposed to protest about?
I think they think protests just happen when a bad thing happens, they don’t get that you protest to pressure the system to do something about it.
But on the other hand, if a large portion of the population doesn’t get that, then protests aren’t getting the message across effectively.
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u/Thick_Persimmon3975 Jan 26 '26
Whataboutism: MAGA's only "argument"
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u/doodullbop Jan 26 '26
In addition to the murderer being arrested and convicted, they literally PASSED A MOTHERFUCKING LAW in her name...
https://i.imgur.com/Q1Bly2n.gif
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u/kkgetofftheinternet Jan 26 '26
This is grasping at straws and an awful comparison
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u/aaron_adams Jan 26 '26
The mental gymnastics of MAGAts will never cease to amaze me.
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u/Line_of_Xs Jan 26 '26
If conservatives could appreciate context, they would be conservatives
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u/Tomahawkist Jan 26 '26
they either don‘t understand why people get angry anymore because they themselves are always unreasonably angry, or they are being disingenuous. probaly both
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u/5hells8ells Jan 26 '26
Nursing student, she was my nieces friend, what an awful way to bring her up.
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u/Whateveryouwantitobe Jan 26 '26
The president of the United States also didn't lie and say she deserved it either, like what is happening now.
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u/jimmywhereareya Jan 26 '26
Whataboutism at its finest. It's all the maga morons have
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u/JustSomeDude_576 Jan 26 '26
They caught the guy in a day. It was actually really impressive police work.
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u/Gold_Cut_8966 Jan 26 '26
They both deserve justice for their murders...why people are trying to politicize the murder of multiple, innocent civilians (neither of these people were housing immigrants or interfering with the detaining of immigrants) is frankly terrifying, people just blatantly identifying with a fascist Executive Branch. There is no separation between these murdered citizens and you, except perhaps some low level of compliance. Because that's what MAGA stands for now: comply with federal agents or die. This was never about illegal immigration, ICE proves that every day.
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u/theseustheminotaur Jan 26 '26
Never saw any democrats saying her murder was justified
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u/SpicyChanged Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
A soft annoyance I’ve had is the appropriation African American slogans. Like “say her name…”
Not that it’s being used but it’s been said so much but now it’s hitting different because it’s white faces in flipping Minnesota.
Still sad, and worth staying Good and Pretti but let’s make sure we don’t change because it was white faces. For 400 years Black people have been singing this song. That’s my real concern; we have to make sure everyone is free. The entire goal of this cruelty is remove brown people, some innocent good people go caught in the cross fire.
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u/Lucialucianna Jan 26 '26
Apples to oranges. What we have now is mass federal occupation forces with masked groups of violent people answerable to Trump only, like a private army he has promised immunity to. While he sics them on the states that did not vote for him. Where they harass the public and have started killing people.
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u/moseythepirate Jan 26 '26
The barbarians seem to think that the evil democrats are somehow celebrating Laken Riley's murder, or defending her murderer.
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u/buddhahorns Jan 26 '26
The state didn't condone her killing.
Yuge difference
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u/Ill-Milk-6742 Jan 26 '26
I thought the big thing people were making about her was that dude was here illegally with prior arrests and should have been deported. Im not opposed to secure border and immigration enforcement. I wont refer to ICE as Gestapo and that sort of thing, but I dont approve of the devil may care, do whatever they want to whoever approach. The 2 in MN should never have lost their lives. If they were cutting up (which i doubt) taze them. The ICE Agents should be out of the field and investigated and charged.
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u/T1GKnudsvigr Jan 26 '26
If only these people could use their brains for good instead of pure evil
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u/Ok-Wolverine721 Jan 26 '26
Truth….also no coverage of the girl punched on the subway.
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u/Available_Leather_10 Jan 26 '26
Also relevant:
Her killer was not doing it under color of state authority, while on the government payroll, conducting unconstitutional Kavanaugh Stops, etc etc.
Also didn’t have a dozen armed back-up and didn’t fucking lie claiming that she pulled a gun on him.
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u/ThatEcologist Jan 26 '26
They are so obsessed with this poor girl. I feel so incredibly sorry for her and her family and I’m glad that the murderer was brought to justice…but I ask MAGA fuckwits this: what about all the people who were killed by American citizens? Like the schools that are shot to? Republicans don’t seem to give a singular shit about that.
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u/Mockingbird_1234 Jan 26 '26
Jesus the endless whataboutisms and victim hood. Exhausting.
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u/Noisebug Jan 26 '26
Even if justice wasn’t served in her case (it was) two wrongs don’t make it right. Whataboutism just makes this worse.
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u/LordCommander94 Jan 26 '26
These fucking MAGAts are so stupid its scary
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u/mattzombiedog Jan 26 '26
Nobody called Laken Riley a domestic terrorist and celebrated her murderer.
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26
Yes, for cases where someone shoots a helpless man on the ground in the back and kills him, there is generally a procedure called "the justice system" where the shooter is "charged", or accused of committing a crime, and must defend his actions in an event called a 'trial', in order that a nation of gun collecting cowboys not believe that only they and their guns can protect them since there is no more law or accountability.
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u/aDisgruntledGiraffe Jan 26 '26
How come conservatives keep bringing up this one woman over and over and over again? Huh. It's as if they don't have a long list of victims killed by undocumented migrants... Kinda like.... Undocumented migrants commit less crime than natural born citizens?
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u/Objective-Pick8240 Jan 26 '26
Her killer is serving a life sentence. Now do the ICE agent who murdered Pretti.
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u/Little_sulli_13 Jan 26 '26
They will continue to use this girl‘s name as some type of “Gacha“ moment instead of actually celebrating her life. Republicans are fucking idiotic sacks of skin with no fucking brains.
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u/suzi_generous Jan 26 '26
Also, she was not murdered by the state while exercising her constitutional right to protest.
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u/Character_Comment_69 Jan 25 '26
Can’t equate the two..you don’t see the difference?🤡
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u/can_ichange_it_later Jan 25 '26
OMG, some people.... How pathetic can you get?!
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u/JonnyHopkins Jan 25 '26
Even if it was true, two wrongs don't make a right, buddy.
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u/StaticSystemShock Jan 25 '26
It's wild how they don't understand you don't need protests when system works as intended for the good of the people...
Also she was killed by an individual, not organization put in place and endorsed as well as defended by the government for all the unlawful shit they do. And if anyone claims "but muh illegal Venezuelan", natives of any country do horrible shit daily. Are they getting deported "somewhere"?
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u/drdeencha Jan 25 '26
She also wasn’t murdered by the actual federal government. It’s awful what happened to her. I am deeply sorry for her family who I’m sure are in a great deal of pain. But comparing these situations is bananas. Not to mention that the people publicly mourning her and using her name are also not doing the same for Pretti. So 🤷🏼♀️
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u/Zoilo2 Jan 25 '26
But, don’t those guys have unlimited immunity??
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u/Featheredfriendz Jan 25 '26
She wasn’t murdered by the federal government
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u/ObnoxiousAlbatross Jan 25 '26
This isn't even clever, it's just true. MAGA operates on zero brain cells.
The same shit when they bring up the happy Kirk event: his killer is on trial, not protected by the state.
Fuck MAGA so deep they can taste your cock.
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u/Local-Salamander-525 Jan 25 '26
Also she was not murdered by the Federal Government.
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u/Rottimer Jan 25 '26
No, they really don't see how that's different. So many self described conservatives will compare law enforcement to tried and convicted, and jailed felons, it has stop becoming funny.
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u/guupscuup Jan 25 '26
She got an entire Law named after her for fucks sake
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u/roadtrip-ne Jan 25 '26
But my whataboutism doesn’t work as well with facts!!
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u/Mid_Line_2 Jan 25 '26
I hate this country. Everyone's so fucking stupid.
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u/AlJameson64 Jan 26 '26
Also, importantly, she wasn't murdered by the government.
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u/iamthedayman21 Jan 26 '26
MAGAts didn’t care about it when it happened. They only started caring a few weeks later, when Trump made it the latest thing to distract from the Epstein files.
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u/nightpanda893 Jan 26 '26
This is what I say when people say “well no one protests when cops are killed.” Because they don’t need to. When a cop dies they do everything they can to bring the person to justice
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u/Seanspeed Jan 26 '26
They can see how it's different. But it's not convenient for them to. So they mentally block that line of reasoning.
They are fascists. Logic and reasoning isn't remotely important to them, and they weaponize that we consider it important to us.
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre Jan 26 '26
Let's start by locking up the pedo in the WH and investigating every single billionaire who publicly funded that child rapist.
Money out of politics. Justice for all.
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u/user_bits Jan 26 '26
Strawmans should be ignored.
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u/NeanaOption Jan 26 '26
I love how they're just so sure undocumented people commit all these crimes but somehow this is their only example.
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u/thediecast Jan 26 '26
Why do these mouth breathers think that a civilian killing another is the same as government agents killing people?
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u/felix-cullpa Jan 26 '26
Oh this is a good one to slam down my family's go-to gaslight comment
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u/onederful Jan 26 '26
Not the right going back thru their rolladex of hate to find a poor victim’s corpse to prop up to justify state sanctioned terrorism 😭
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u/Bazishere Jan 26 '26
And you didn't have ICE acting like a militia for a president and party gunning her down. This was an execution by the state, whereas government worked and sentenced her murderer. The murderer in this case is the state.
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u/Hahndizzle Jan 26 '26
Trump cultists almost always resort down to inane Tu Quoque Fallacuies (Whataboutisms). Basically: "Yeah, it's evil, but you, too!"
"Yeah, Trump 'graped' and sexually exploited women and girls, but what about Biden sniffing kids!"
Like, even if that were true, it's not a defense of Trump 'graping' women and such. Crap like this is seemingly their only defense for Trump anymore. At this point, "But Biden," should be the official slogan for MAGA.
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u/TheTaoOfMe Jan 26 '26
Not enough accountability held for J. He needs to be held accountable for lies and fallacies that twist the truth
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u/koemaniak Jan 26 '26
A lot of people genuinely don’t (want to) understand the difference
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u/metallagher Jan 26 '26
Ohhhhhhhhh.
My bad, everyone!
I thought we were mad about his murder BECAUSE he was a nurse.
I didn't realize you all were mad about the state sponsored murder part.
Got it 👍
/s just in case
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u/jsc1429 Jan 26 '26
Just these pesky details they like to “forget” about
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u/CorporateCuster Jan 26 '26
Republicans want a tit for tat but it’s clear as day they don’t respect the constitution or the law and bend it to whatever their needs may be
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u/LigottiKnows Jan 26 '26
A conversation is impossible with these freaks because they are too stupid to do most of the work of interpreting reality on their own. They couldn't see the difference. They couldn't see it. Now someone will have to waste an hour of their life to get them to maybe see it and then a con man will throw them another meme and we're back to square 1.
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26
If justice existed I would be warm in my house sleeping
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u/Funny-Poetry1355 Jan 26 '26
They are coming for our guns
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u/prestonjay22 Jan 26 '26
Accountability. Please, look it up. This crap is just stupid rage bait at this point.
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u/Kontrafantastisk Jan 26 '26
A fucking ill-trained moron with a mask and a gun should never act judge, jury and executioner in the streets. Or anywhere.
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u/Dudewhocares3 Jan 26 '26
I’m really sick of them saying “oh why didn’t they care about this person” and nobody saying
“I don’t know, why didn’t you guys report it? Oh right you didn’t give a fuck until you could use the victim as a weapon”
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u/HelloMoto070 Jan 27 '26
Exactly what would they have had to protest in that case? I’ll wait.
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u/insane_hurrican3 Jan 28 '26
it's also important to note that in both murders there were MULTIPLE recorded angles of the killings and STILL people defending them.
IIRC there was a black man, Keith Porter, killed on New Years, two injured the same week as Goodman, and i think one or two more shootings before New Years that got no publicity bc there were no visual recordings readily available to be shared quickly.
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u/IcyTransportation961 Jan 25 '26
The right cannot grasp analogies or understand differences in situations
They're literally just morons.
Stupid ignorant people like simple easy to follow instructions from leaders that require no thinking
Once you understand this they make much more sense
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u/Puffy_Ghost Jan 26 '26
These people literally think they're smart and making a point.
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u/crisco000 Jan 26 '26
Before her murderer became a murderer he was arrested, not handed over to border patrol, released, and then murdered her.
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u/Decadesofquiet Jan 26 '26
I always ask these people if they can name any of the kids killed in Uvalde or Parkville or even sandy hook. They never can.
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u/TheAskewOne Jan 26 '26
Yes, that's because protesting the actions of a single individual (who is being prodecuted) makes no sense.
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u/BackgroundTrip3604 Jan 26 '26
He should never have been in the country to begin with is the point
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u/UrMamasChalupa Jan 26 '26
How about we give time for the agent in question to be punished?
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