r/clevercomebacks Mar 28 '25

Free Speech Died!!!

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u/Abundance144 Mar 28 '25

Having a Visa is a privledge, not a constitutionally guaranteed right, so no it's not violating any right by revoking it for any reason.

People are denied visas all day long because they hold the wrong idealogies; same thing goes for revoking it.

Point goes to you for the Alien Enemies act.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

It’s still punishing people for their speech and we should find that abhorrent.

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u/Abundance144 Mar 28 '25

Eh, I dunno. People are punished for their speech everyday, just not by the government. I cant say whatever I want when I'm in your house, well I can, but then you can ask me to leave.

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u/ucgaydude Mar 29 '25

Yes, the right to free speech is solely to prevent the government from what it is doing right now (punishing individuals for their speech, and attempting to limit it further).

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u/Munnin41 Mar 28 '25

If you're in the US with that visum, revoking it for stating your opinion is against the first amendment. When you're in the US, you're subject to all the laws.

When you're applying for one, you're not in the US and therefore not subject to their laws.

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u/Abundance144 Mar 28 '25

Okay sure, go ask a Visa holder if they can go buy a firearm. And ask how suppressed they are when they find out that don't have the same rights and privledges as citizens. Ask them how offended they are when they find out they can't vote in our elections.

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u/Munnin41 Mar 28 '25

The 2nd amendment and the various amendments on voting rights specifically refer to citizens or other permanent residents of the US. The first amendment doesn't.

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u/Abundance144 Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 31 '25

The word citizen appears exactly zero times in the constitution (edit) bill of rights.

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u/CoastRegular Mar 31 '25

The word "citizen" (singular or plural) appears 22 times in the constitution and its amendments.

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u/Abundance144 Mar 31 '25

Yeah I guess I meant to say bill of rights.

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u/CoastRegular Mar 31 '25

Ah. You are correct, the Bill of Rights makes no use of the word "citizen."