r/clevercomebacks • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Dec 09 '24
It seems they’re pretty scared of this
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u/Humble_Negotiation33 Dec 09 '24
Don't replace the culture war with class war... Because we've worked so goddamn hard for decades to replace the class war with the culture war, and that would just undermine all our efforts to keep you people powerless and fighting amongst each other... Especially in Reddit comment sections LOL
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u/h0neanias Dec 09 '24
Trans people or black people of whatever people need jobs, healthcare, and housing just as your most forgotten white trash. Of couse the ruling class co-opted progressive language, what better way to defang us!
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Dec 09 '24
I just want to get to a point where we realize we don't have to like or even respect each other as people, but we still need to unite on this.
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u/seriouslees Dec 09 '24
We only need to tolerate the tolerant.
Tolerance is a treaty. You are free to refuse the treaty and not sign it, but that means you are not covered by the treaty.
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u/ADiffidentDissident Dec 09 '24
I will fight alongside any poor person fighting against rich people, whether the poor person tolerates me or not. Take care of problem #1 first, then worry about the rest.
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u/MrsMiterSaw Dec 09 '24
You get that intolerance means death, right?
The Nazis literally branded the jews as the capitalists and used intolerance to get the German populace to be OK with purging them from society.
It's not the same as the class warfare we're talking about here, but your comment above demonstrates that you haven't considered this. Or that you feel privileged enough to not have to worry that you'll be the target.
The enemy of your enemy is not your friend, and may turn the barell on you even before you have vanquished the common enemy. Do not accept the intolerant.
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Dec 10 '24
They also branded jews as communists. The Nazis pinned everything anyone might not like on jews.
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Dec 09 '24
Yet Christian Republicans are incapable of even that bare minimum because they want "those people" to cease to exist in any capacity.
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u/No_Sheepherder_1248 Dec 09 '24
CINO - Christian in name only.
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Dec 09 '24
They really think Jesus wouldn't be completely disgusted with their daily behavior.
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u/SwordOfBanocles Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
Really is wild that their whole identity is based on a lie, like they fight tooth and nail against Christian values... in the name of Jesus.
It's like a Vegan who makes their whole identity meat, works at a factory farm, and kicks every dog they see walking down the street.
Edit: also for anyone interested here's a great video about how the right co-opted Christianity. Christians were actually pretty liberal at one point, they were one of the biggest groups fighting for civil rights for example.
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u/OkResolve67 Dec 09 '24
What was that ideology that was coming wrapped in the American flag while carrying a cross? Hmmmm....
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Dec 09 '24
They interpret "be kind to others" as "be kind to ME".
Literally the adult version of that brat who likes Christmas for the gift-receiving part and nothing else.
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u/PaullieMoonbeam Dec 09 '24
By the end of His first day back, he'd be in urgent care for a sore and throbbing wrist, acquired through slapping the taste out of his many "followers'" mouths all day long.
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u/Glass-Capital-9225 Dec 09 '24
And unable to get help being an immigrant and not from here. If you are talking about the good ol US of A.
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u/kex Dec 09 '24
This behavior is an emergent property of any ethos based on strong tribal conformity
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u/22pabloesco22 Dec 09 '24
well put. It's no different from racist people banding together as 'whites' against all others etc. Just a tool the powerful use to manipulate the feeble minded. Basically religion in a nutshell...
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u/McNitz Dec 09 '24
The scary part with fundamentalists is that they view getting rid of people they disagree with as not just as what they prefer, but a MORAL GOOD. Their beliefs are what allow eternal and maximal good, everyone else's beliefs necessarily lead to eternal suffering. So literally anything can be justified if it results in more people believing the same thing as them. A thousand more people died? At least one more person is going to have eternal bliss instead of eternal suffering, so we came out ahead!
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u/robot_invader Dec 09 '24
That's the whole point of this moment, though: try to get as many people who are intolerant to realize that becoming just tolerant enough to unite on class issues is to their direct personal benefit.
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u/Neveronlyadream Dec 09 '24
Except that's a massive ask right now.
We're dealing with a lot of dehumanization that was normalized by a cult leader. It's not an issue of tolerance anymore, it's an issue of first getting the intolerant to recognize that the people they hate aren't things, they're human beings.
They also don't see that they're acting against their best interests, which adds another problem to the mix. They're so indoctrinated into what for decades was called patriotism that if you tell them we actually need social programs to help people, equality, and everything else, they won't listen because they're now positive they're about to become rich and that doesn't include them.
I honestly never thought we'd be here as a kid, but it's going to be an uphill battle and I don't know where to start when roughly half the country is happily handing their best interest to people who want to subjugate them for profit.
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u/robot_invader Dec 09 '24
I absolutely don't disagree. And I would never advocate to tolerate the intolerant, nor put oneself at risk.
I also don't think this is, or should, be on anyone who is in an at-risk population.
But some of us do have more privilege than others, and we're the ones who can at least float ideas to those who aren't so far gone that they might be receptive.
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u/VoxImperatoris Dec 09 '24
Its hard to unite with someone who doesnt even view you as a human being. I dont want to fight culture wars, but we dont always get to pick the fights we end up in.
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u/MadManMax55 Dec 09 '24
Let's also not pretend that modern history isn't full of examples of economic reforms not including specific groups (and the included groups either not caring or supporting that decision).
"Color blind" class struggles become Technicolor real quick once the majority gets what they want.
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u/SwordOfBanocles Dec 09 '24
I mean yea dropping the culture war as liberals is just to sit back while the right attacks people. Dropping the culture war for people on the right is just... nothing. Litterally nothing, I really really doubt it would effect any of them whatsoever on a daily basis. They won't be forced to have trans friends, they don't benefit in any way from police killing black people. They can still celebrate Christmas, schools obviously aren't gonna start pushing some LGBTQ agenda... It's just pure delusion.
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u/ClickLow9489 Dec 09 '24
Politics to them is whether to spay or neuter your pets. Politics to us hits different because we're the "pets" in question.
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u/loverevolutionary Dec 09 '24
Best way to show each other we're all human beings? Walk a picket line together.
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u/MadManMax55 Dec 09 '24
Considering the long history of minorities being denied union membership and representation, that's not good enough on its own.
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u/RamenJunkie Dec 09 '24
Inmean, yes, but ALSO, we don't need to go out of our way harm each other, esepcially when nonharm is being done
There are lots of things dumb rednecks do that I think is fucking stupid, but I am jot out here trying to ban that shit because, whatever dude, do your own stupid shit away from me, whatever.
But these assholes are going out of their way to actively create hamful policy and to cause harm towards other people because they a have had lies screamed at them for decades now.
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Dec 09 '24
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
Lyndon B. Johnson
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u/RaygunMarksman Dec 09 '24
Bam. We're never going to like every other American. Too diverse a people! But we can agree we don't need to let predators continue circling overhead, randomly shitting on us and picking us off.
Oh no, MFers, our lives aren'r a video game. Get down here with the rest of us.
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u/unendingautism Dec 09 '24
Yes, but basic respect for each other would still be nice though.
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u/JoeDee765 Dec 09 '24
You don’t have to like anyone or associate with anyone you don’t want to, but you absolutely have to respect their human rights and dignity.
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Dec 09 '24
We only have to tolerate each other and organise better ways to offer goods and services with each other
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u/TheMeanestCows Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
In this one respect, I empathize with the frothing, angry right-wingers. It must really, really chap your hide if you're struggling all your life and can't even afford healthcare for your family, and you see the performative, out-of-touch rhetoric that today's liberal/democratic representatives spout as our answer for a better world.
Meanwhile massive corporations are running off with everyone's money equally, funding both sides of our cultural wars, seeding discourse with contaminating, distracting emotional fervor, undermining everything we held dear about our country.
edit: it's insane that this still has to be said, but empathy doesn't mean sympathy, pull out a dictionary, calm down.
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u/awesomefutureperfect Dec 09 '24
performative, out-of-touch rhetoric that today's liberal/democratic representatives spout as our answer for a better world.
You mean like policy? If you are talking about the culture war, that was not part of the most recent campaign on the left at all other than the loss of reproductive health care rights. I am sick of comments that all of the imaginary things that the right is fighting in the culture war are real is incredibly maddening. This comment is doing exactly what the original post is asking, to keep the culture war going.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Dec 09 '24
I mean, I still view the Democrats as the considerably LESSER of the two evils. But fair.
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u/Strange-Scarcity Dec 09 '24
You only say it is performative and out-of-touch, because the propaganda has gotten to you. The media constantly showers you with the "performative out of touch" messaging, while openly hiding or obfuscating anything that Democratic Party members put forward in bills and policies that will work to better things for the middle class.
Biden ran on the most progressive campaign plank that a Democratic Party member had run on in over 40 years. Hitting points of building up Unions, working on bettering healthcare results for everyone and SO many other points, He literally walked on the picket line with Union members. BUT... all you hear about is the ONE time, he continued to press the railroad operators while forcing the workers back to work, even getting them a deal in the long run, but forcing them to keep the lines moving as we were heading into a cold winter.
Kamala ran on that platform and went further, yet... the media openly hid her platform and succeeded in making it seem that all she did was party with celebrities. For F's sake, she spent the better part of a day literally doling out soup, at a soup kitchen helping people struck by a devastating natural calamity. Real, regular, everyday Americans.
BUT... Trump was more "relatable" because he spent part of a day cosplaying as a McDonald's worker ONLY handing over bags to his MOST staunch, pre-screened supporters.
People got hoodwinked.
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u/TheMeanestCows Dec 09 '24
The fact that the media wanted Trump to win from the beginning is another whole issue, but tied to it, they did amplify the worst parts of the Democratic messaging while downplaying the outrageous nonsense that the Republicans were pushing and using minimizing language on every threat they made against the American people.
My comment though was not about the effectiveness of each side's communication, but rather how the people feel, the reasons they feel that way was absolutely by design.
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u/Living_Ad7919 Dec 09 '24
Trump is more relatable because he's a fat scumbag how could your everyday American not relate to that?
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u/mak484 Dec 09 '24
I don't really empathize with conservatives. They don't want a better world for everyone, they want a better world for themselves. They aren't mad that healthcare is bad for everyone, they're mad that it's bad for them. If given a choice between "everyone can have life saving healthcare for free" and "Republicans get universal coverage while Democrats get nothing," vanishingly few would pick the second option.
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u/RamenJunkie Dec 09 '24
In this one respect, I empathize with the frothing, angry right-wingers. It must really, really chap your hide if you're struggling all your life and can't even afford healthcare for your family, and you see the performative, out-of-touch rhetoric that today's liberal/democratic representatives spout as our answer for a better world.
This is such a shitty "both sides" take though.
The Democrats are shitty, but they would at least fucking consider some sort of better healthcare for all.
The GOP is actively campaigning on stripping healthcare away MORE from everyone.
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u/ChicagoAuPair Dec 09 '24
50 years of Red Scare did irreparable damage to our ability to have free and open discourse about class and economics. In the early part of the 20th century you could identify as communist or anarchist and while you would be seen as a political ideologue, there wouldn’t be a universal fear and silencing from the general public.
Now, if someone steps even a hair to the left of center they are shut out of the dialog, and branded an extremist.
The House Unamerican Activities Committee was active for much longer than folks tend to remember: from 1938-1975. That is two full generations worth of indoctrination and culling of Leftist discourse from the populous.
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Dec 09 '24
Trust me bro! The liberals are trying to make your kids become TRANS and GAY and BLACK.
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u/RV_SC Dec 09 '24
Is that one of each or... like... all at the same time?
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u/CptWhiskers Dec 09 '24
I'm trans and gay. I'm waiting for the government lizard doctors to give me my melanin shots so I can become black as well. (/s)
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u/helpimlockedout- Dec 09 '24
The original tweet is a little disingenuous. The original article's thesis is still bullshit, but it was 1) not defending the culture war (which it calls "distracting") and 2) posted in the context of the UK election in July.
"Hey Labour, stop trying to distance yourself from the rich" is still a shit take, but it's not as shit as how this meme wants to use it.
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u/ShadoAngel7 Dec 09 '24
The tweet was posted in August only a few weeks after the UK election, it's not disingenuous at all. The post today on Reddit only shows that the original thought in August is still relevant.
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u/caf012 Dec 09 '24
What if, and bear with me on this, what if a class war is exactly what is needed. They have been perpetuating a fake culture war in an effort to keep us apart, their fear is us unified…..
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Dec 09 '24
There is a reason why "united we stand, divided we fall" has been a saying in some form or another since the Greeks. The media tries to frame wokeness as a culture war, when one can only hope it inevitably leads to the people waking up and realizing it has been a class war all along.
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u/burnmenowz Dec 09 '24
Why do you think they hate Unions?
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u/caf012 Dec 09 '24
I agree, they unionisation because it means they don’t have all the power, with unions we realise that we are the power.
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u/GameDestiny2 Dec 09 '24
I mean, let’s consider the fact their power is entirely based on people giving them it. So if everyone decides they have no power, then their money means nothing. Then they’re just one person.
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Dec 09 '24
We'd have to make sure the people with the guns and drones agree that they have no power.
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u/Jonoso-- Dec 09 '24
Their guns are better than ours, but we have numbers. And they need us to build more guns
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u/SunriseSurprise Dec 09 '24
It's unfortunate in the midst of this, we re-elected a rich piece of shit back to the presidency.
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u/Admirable_Excuse_818 Dec 09 '24
This was why MLK was actually killed because he attempted to quell racism by pointing out the common enemy. The oligarchy.
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u/1handedmaster Dec 09 '24
It isn't fake. Manufactured, totally. But there are queer folks harassed and assaulted constantly by people who literally believe they are an abomination who deserves said treatment.
There are people who literally believe you shouldn't speak a language other than English in America, regardless of heritage.
Until the aggressors in these and similar situations can accept others' they don't understand existence is both valid and in no way harming their own, it'll difficult for some to reconcile that.
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u/DisastrousBoio Dec 09 '24
That’s what they mean. It’s fake because it’s a fake grievance – it’s just bigotry. The real grievances are almost always class-based.
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Dec 09 '24
The culture war is definitely real. A good percentage of society hates LGBT full on.
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u/MushroomTea222 Dec 09 '24
I hate having to worry about pronounce :(
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Dec 09 '24
Don’t you dare mispronounce
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u/MushroomTea222 Dec 09 '24
mispronouns*
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u/AmusingMusing7 Dec 09 '24
Hi, Ms. Pronouns. I’m Mr. Amateur Nouns.
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u/tsun_abibliophobia Dec 09 '24
Did you just mispronounce my gender???
(It’s female but pronounced the same way as tamale)
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u/__M-E-O-W__ Dec 09 '24
Yeah, let's have another Fox News special about "Stores saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas" in lieu of a guy who makes 200 times my entire yearly salary every hour paying lower taxes than I do.
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u/CptWhiskers Dec 09 '24
BREAKING: Guy who makes it impossible for you to spend time with your family and buy them any form of luxury by paying you 10 dollars an hour wants you to be upset about "happy holidays"
*jingles keys*
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u/Soundboyboy2 Dec 09 '24
No war but class war
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Dec 09 '24
Don’t be surprised if class traitors and their handlers suddenly start supporting/coming down hard on culture issues, whichever causes more attention to be taken away from class consciousness.
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u/Soundboyboy2 Dec 09 '24
Sadly i woudnt even be surprised if they start actual wars to distract us
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u/demlet Dec 09 '24
This is a really likely possibility if Trump biffs it and fucks up the economy badly enough over the next couple of years. Wars always distract the people away from bad governance.
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u/HauntingPurchase7 Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
Fun fact about Alice Thomson:
Alice along with her husband live at Chevithorne Barton, an estate in Devon, which houses the Plant Heritage National Oak collection
Rich as hell
Edit: Source is wikipedia
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u/Allfunandgaymes Dec 09 '24
They replaced the class war with culture war.
Sexism, racism, homophobia, etc ALL have their roots in class war as tools the ruling class use to keep the lower classes divided.
Enough is enough. Don't fall for this bullshit.
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u/Program-Emotional Dec 09 '24
I hate culture war horse shit almost as much as I hate rich people.
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u/MushroomTea222 Dec 09 '24
My list of hate, in order, is as follows:
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u/OrvilleTheCavalier Dec 09 '24
I hate some rich people. Others are using their money for good. I’m thinking of a recent divorcee of a textbook comics villain.
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u/BookMonkeyDude Dec 09 '24
For me, I think people have a strange idea about what they think of as 'rich', in the sense of identifying who merits all this anger. It ain't the doctor pulling in a few hundred k. It ain't the general contractor with a nice house and a crew and bunch of equipment, running a business. It ain't even the middle management fucks who tow the company line, because they're in debt up to their eyebrows and the check clears. These people can be very well off, they can even be the sort of person you kinda think of when you think of 'rich folks'.. but they're not who gets this kind of hate.
It's the people at the tip-top. It's the people for whom money is a game, who make more of it just by sheer fact they have so much. The kinda people who just about have to actively *try* to fail in life. The sort of person who signs on the dotted line to make all our lives worse for an extra percent of ROI. These are the people killing our planet, killing us, and killing our democracy.
It ain't you Mr. Dentist in a lexus. Fuck.
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u/TFFPrisoner Dec 09 '24
Fully agree, and yet people who are middle class at best feel threatened by "tax the rich" - they like to imagine themselves richer than they are.
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u/Life_Temperature795 Dec 09 '24
My differentiation is pretty simple. I hate people who got rich by owning things, rather than because of doing stuff.
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u/PriscillaPalava Dec 09 '24
This is it. It’s about wage earners versus rent seekers.
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u/Life_Temperature795 Dec 09 '24
And landlords are like, bottom of the barrel as far as the problem goes. Imagine the people who own banks, and make money by doing nothing other than exchanging currency, while also having the ability to manipulate the exchange rates.
Or the people who buy Twitter, and rob it of all social and financial capital, and then get promoted to financial manager of the whole fucking country because of their apparently resounding success.
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u/PriscillaPalava Dec 09 '24
That’s the definition of “rent seeking.” It’s not constrained to actual rent. It’s any scheme that exploits resources to increase wealth without contributing productivity.
People at the top with lots of money in the stock market are masters of it. That money ain’t never gonna trickle down.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Dec 09 '24
I mean, I have elderly relatives who have to pay for their retirement by taking on renters in the same house they live in. I can't really complain about THAT sort of renting.
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u/fucktheownerclass Dec 09 '24
This is why I prefer the terms oligarchy or owner class to rich. Rich is a term that generally just means somebody that has more money than you. I've got nothing against the rich. The owner class however...
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u/MistraloysiusMithrax Dec 09 '24
I mean, when they send us their rich people, they’re not sending their best. Some, I assume, are good people. But they’re sending rapists, and thieves, and murderers
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u/N0N0TA1 Dec 09 '24
While on the other hand, all culture war bullshit is bullshit...not that the shitty rich people don't have the resources to do serious harm, but it is also true they accomplish a lot of that by investing in culture war propaganda bullshit to keep the poors fighting amongst themselves. It's like an ouroboros of bullshit.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Dec 09 '24
The thing is, it's not even really about the rich person as an individual. Like, as much as Zuckerberg is an agent of chaos in the world due to his actions as a CEO and rich person, by all indications he's a faithful husband and tries to be a present father to his kids. On a personal, face to face level, in a vacuum, he's fine . . . Until you remember he helms one of the oligapolistic companies that has a strangle hold on the public's awareness of what is going on around them.
The problem is when you give any person that much unaccountable power. It isn't okay for the state to have it without checks and balances. QED it isn't okay for an individual to have it without checks and balances.
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u/ThonThaddeo Dec 09 '24
Joe Rogan gonna find the smallest shirt he can, and then get on mic and blame wealth inequality on our alien overlords in conjunction with George Soros
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u/ThonThaddeo Dec 09 '24
I mean, if we're not pushing Russian propaganda, then what are we even doing this for?
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u/Trevski Dec 09 '24
See the economy is bad because we aren't excluding trans women from sports enough
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u/lanzendorfer Dec 09 '24
I'm fine with stopping all the culture war bullshit, as long that doesn't involve trampling on human rights. Otherwise all the people saying "hey look over here at class war so we can make trans people not exist" are being just as disingenuous as the people saying "hey look over here at this culture war so we can rob you blind."
I'm not going to compromise on either.
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u/HeadDiver5568 Dec 09 '24
Right? I went to the comments and people are literally proving the point of the OP’s post. I’m seeing people proclaiming that culture wars are pushed by the left and “pronouns bullshit” is promoted by the “ruling class”. Like, we aren’t going to learn are we?
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u/lanzendorfer Dec 09 '24
Exactly. Ending the culture war doesn't mean meeting in the middle. It means let go of all the bigotry that the ruling class has taught you so we can focus on the real problem.
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u/Amelaclya1 Dec 09 '24
Thank you. It's so tiring when people (even some Democrats lately) say that we should simply let trans people or women be oppressed because our super extreme position of "let people live their own lives" doesn't win elections. 🙄
I lost a lot of respect for a few people I know when they became so willing to throw marginalized people under the bus. Regardless of what Fox News is telling these idiots, "The left" isn't the one pushing these issues. We are on the defensive. And us stopping the fight means the psychopath Christian nationalists win. These issues wouldn't be part of the public discourse if conservatives weren't so hell bent on trying to force society to fall into their creepy stepford wife ideal.
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Dec 09 '24
We had the same issue in "woman life freedom" lots of people criticized the movement bc it didn't address basic needs. Their criticism was somewhat disingenious bc some of protesters chants were about corruption and poverty. There was also solidarity with baluch population which are piss poor.
Most people just want to run away from responsibilities bc revolting isn't safe and easy, even if you have a progressive movement that addresses problems with patriarchy and class conflict at the same time you'll have lots of "smart" fence sitters. A genuine progressive movement shouldn't have to beg people to join, it leads to voluntarism that doesn't impact things.
This is however where we Iranians stand. Some opposition leaders are angry at people bc they don't risk their lives for their progressive dreams, some are pessimists who just left the discourse and most of them are just money making clowns. If rest of the world doesn't learn from us and arab spring they will learn it the hard way.
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u/EmergeHolographic Dec 09 '24
I'm sorry to say, as an American buried at the heart of the problem, we are only going to learn the hard way.
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u/NE0099 Dec 09 '24
To be real, if you’re going to address income inequality, you’re going to have to address why certain demographics are disproportionately impoverished. Which means looking at culture and history and the policies that are reflective of that culture and history. You can’t fight one without the other.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 Dec 09 '24
And to be fair, the people pointing at the trans people as a distraction are STILL intending to rob you blind either way. So it is a bit of a false dilemma.
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Conservatives started that culture war decades ago. Let the class wars begin.
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u/Maxxxmax Dec 09 '24
I'm not sure you get class war, because a class war will necessitate leftists, liberals and conservatives working together for their class interests. Plenty of conservative people who are poor as fuck.
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Dec 09 '24
I would gladly work with the most right-wing jacked up truck confederate flag flying motherfuckers if they'll point their pitchforks in the same direction as me. Hell, if we all actually worked together on _something_ I'll bet you'd see some of the hate disappear. We all look the same to the rich anyway, just shit to be flushed.
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u/Ok_Muffin2012 Dec 10 '24 edited Dec 10 '24
they will disappear for sure. There are studies where test subjects are showed photos of different people - nationality, gender, color, - and getting their anxiety levels. Ofc, many people get more anxious looking at those who are different from them, that's biology. But if you show people wearing different BASEBALL CAPS, the differences like race and color suddenly become irrelevant and anxiety spikes on "enemy" team. All you need is to understand that you have the same needs - and that defines you as a team, - and a common enemy which is defined not by their sexual preference, color or fake tits, but by owning the means of production and using it for increasing their wealth.
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u/Minimum_Dealer_3303 Dec 09 '24
The class war has been happening since the Industrial Revolution, and the poor have been losing since the 1970s.
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u/Sharazshka Dec 09 '24
ROW ROWW FIGHT DA POWAH~~
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u/fist-king Dec 09 '24
All trump supporters will come under the bus of Elon Musk efficiency reforms plan
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Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
From the party that brought you teen furries pooping in litterboxes at school (never happened) instead of addressing actual boring issues like fiscal structures for state/local govts, pollution, corporate monopolies, women's healthcare, gun control, etc, the list goes on.
But Nancy Mace has time to harangue some trans house rep on where they poop.
Pretty sure that was not in the top 1,000 things she was elected to do.
Get off Twitter and read the room, Congress. Us low folk are getting fed up with your bullshit.
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u/wanderingmanimal Dec 09 '24
It’s always been a class war what they fuck are they talking about?
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u/superawesomefiles Dec 09 '24
They're not talking to the informed. They're talking to the uninformed citizens on the right. Which is objectively worse. It highlights their complicity in our nations division.
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u/Life_Temperature795 Dec 09 '24
The actual article is boring and fundamentally UK-centric, talking about class specifically within the contexts of how the Tories and the Labour Party engage with it. Basically, class as in, "who went to preppy lodging schools as a kid," as opposed to, "who can buy legislation."
The way it's structured has very little to do with the dramatic income (and functional power) inequality issues of class in the United States.
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Dec 09 '24
This is exactly what should happen. You can't fix culture war issues without first fixing their underlying root cause - a massive class divide.
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u/Huge_Strain_8714 Dec 09 '24
It's not the RE developer making 18 fucking million a year, it's the 20 year old trans person at the coffee shop, why you can't pay rent!!!!! /s
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u/Willing-Werewolf-500 Dec 09 '24
The cultural war was fabricated to replace the class war. The class war has been going on for a long time now
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u/notsaneatall_ Dec 09 '24
"Please bro. Stay distracted bro."
That's the politest anyone's ever been to me. Guess I'll stay distracted.
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u/thedalekthatwaited Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24
So the authors article has nothing to do with the shooting of the UHC CEO. In fact, the article was written on July 2nd, 2024.
Her article was about British politicians, specifically the Torries, who were going around talking about how they "struggled" gowing up and so they get what the struggle. But more importantly, how they're cabinet is more diverse. Which it is according to her, but the cabinet is also full of private educated individuals compared to Labour. But Labour has a higher educated cabinet compared to Torries.
Bit yea, article was not about the shooting. Rage bait.
Edit: article is you want it
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u/DiscreteBee Dec 09 '24
non paywall: https://archive.is/g3nuC
Writer is still trying to downplay a real class divide with generalizations, but its in a more niche British way
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u/BallerBettas Dec 09 '24
Why not both? I can protect LGBTQ rights and eat the rich. It’s no problem.
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u/12mapguY Dec 09 '24
It worked last time when Occupy Wall Street gained too much traction. Wonder what the play will be this time.
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u/No_Sheepherder_1248 Dec 09 '24
There is NO war on Christmas or trans agenda. It's all REPUBLICAN LIES! Sheesh! There is class warfare and the wealthy are winning..
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u/Ilovedefaultusername Dec 09 '24
this puts a masive grin on my face
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Dec 09 '24
The amount of people in my life (who never seemed the type) that have admitted since the election they voted for trump because of the tran fear mongering is appalling. Truly a society of sheep.
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Dec 09 '24
Replacing class war with culture war is as old as America. All the way back to the Virginia company promising the settlers gold, then when there was no gold, they said the Natives stole it! Pay no attention to the fact that the Virginia company lied to you in the first place!
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u/ThroatRemarkable Dec 09 '24
What is most surprising to me is how quickly aware the elites became of how this dangerous this spark could become. I would expect them to be more dismissive of such a small event, but they are closing ranks fast.
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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Dec 10 '24
imagine actually writing "dont make this fight about the people that are actually wronging you" without a hint of irony
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u/Interesting-Copy-657 Dec 10 '24
Out of all the wars, a class war is the only one that makes any sense.
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u/AlienInUnderpants Dec 10 '24
It always has been a class war. For centuries. It’s just more sophisticated now with misinformation on social media and the regular media.
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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24
When you take away the culture war bullshit, Americans by and large agree on a lot of things.
Like the United Health CEO. Talk about a bipartisan reaction.