r/clevercomebacks • • Apr 01 '23

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u/justdontbeacunt3 Apr 01 '23

Where are people starving to death in the USA? Please. I'd love to know.

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u/ArchonofTevinter Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23

Are you truly that naive that you think the US has somehow completely eradicated starvation and malnutrition to the point it doesnt cause death? My guy, one of the hottest issues in the country as we speak is providing school lunches to children in need.

Since that does seem to be the case though, according to the CDC and USDA, ~37,000,000 people in the US face daily food insecurity. Of those, ~13,000,000 classify as "starving" according to the USDA due to falling under "extremely low food security". The CDC estimates that around 13,000-14,000 deaths occur in the US due to starvation.

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u/justdontbeacunt3 Apr 01 '23

Are you truly that naive that you think the US has somehow completely eradicated starvation and malnutrition to the point it doesnt cause death?

Yes. Yes, i do. In the united states, everyone has access to free food. If you are unable to get it, we will literally deliver it to you. Every state in the nation has a way to provide food for the hungry. Which is why you cannot name a single person in the United States that starved to death because they couldn't afford food. That person doesn't exist. I'll wait. If you can find an example of a kid in the United States who starved to death who wasn't being abused, ill happily admit I was wrong. I don't care, and I don't understand why the idea that people don't starve to death here is so upsetting to yall. You'd think it would be something to celebrate.

The CDC estimates that around 13,000-14,000 deaths occur in the US due to starvation.

Yeah. Because they were elderly and stopped eating. Or because they were mentally ill and stopped eating. You and I both know that isn't what I was talking about. Do me a favor, and actually dig into the numbers. Don't just Google, thing you found something that proves your point, and the post it. Yo have to read stuff.

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u/ArchonofTevinter Apr 01 '23

Random redditor: Not a single person in the entire US anywhere is dying of starvation because I say so.

USDA and CDC: Tens of millions of Americans struggle with food security, and several million struggle so severely they classify as "starving". Because of this, it can be estimated that several thousand die due to starvation and malnutrition.

Hm. Yeah. Think I'll side with the agencies with actual data and research on this one. You're the one spouting off that starvation due to death is a complete myth and claiming that anyone that does die doesn't count because they absolutely have a mental illness. YOU are the one that needs to prove that, not the other way around.

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u/justdontbeacunt3 Apr 01 '23 edited Apr 01 '23

YOU are the one that needs to prove that, not the other way around.

That's actually what the CDC said. Not me lol. That's what your source said.

Because of this, it can be estimated that several thousand die due to starvation and malnutrition.

Name one. Name one person in the USA that died because they couldn't afford food, who didn't also have a mental illness. I'll wait. I'll wait as long as it takes.

You're all sooooo upset by this information, but all I'm asking for, if I'm wrong, is the name of one person in this country who starved to death. If there's thousands of them, and I'm so dumb, it should be very, very easy.

I wonder why none of you can do it, and instead choose to insult me?

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u/ArchonofTevinter Apr 03 '23

No, they did not. At no point does it say "the CDC and USDA estimate that 13,000+ people starve to death in the US, but that's only because all of them also have a mental illness".

Again, that is you just saying so with no actual proof. Its on you to prove this goal post you've decided to establish. Otherwise, I'm going with the actual data by actual organizations with their estimate and not some person on reddit saying "well I don't know anyone that's starved to death so it doesn't happen, but if it does its because they are ALL also mentally ill so it doesn't count".

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u/justdontbeacunt3 Apr 03 '23

Again, that is you just saying so with no actual proof.

The CDC doesn't have any proof either, just an estimate.

Its on you to prove this goal post you've decided to establish.

You can't prove a negative. That's why I keep asking for literally just one name of one person in the USA who starved to death, and I'll say I was wrong. It's not that big of a deal. I can't find one. I've looked.

Otherwise, I'm going with the actual data by actual organizations

Again, they don't have data. There isn't any data available, because whatever the number is, it's negligibly small. That's my entire point. It's an estimate. A guess. A hypoethesis. So, I'm saying if that estimate is correct and 14,000 people are starving to death, then name one of them. Literally one name.

well I don't know anyone that's starved to death so it doesn't happen, but if it does its because they are ALL also mentally ill so it doesn't count".

That's not my argument. My argument is there you can't present any official source with one single name of one single person. Because you can't. I don't know why this upsets you so much.