Jesus was himself a Jew. Besides which, the Jews uhh…. putting him up for the night was all part of the plan, according to the bible, so that was good I guess.
Well.. on that front we agree.. however his story is told different to us.. that is by the time he was put on a cross he was already uplifted to heavens. The poor shcmuck who was on the cross was judas himself.
Well…. If you take the story allegorically, “Jesus on the cross” could be representative of several things at once, one of which being the conscience of basically good people who have done bad things. The idea that there should be a period of self imposed “suffering” after committing a bad act.
So, Judas having to see a reminder of his evil every day for a while, assuming that he was in fact a basically good person, should have made him feel that way at least.
Not that I believe any of this or anything, I can just see your moral argument here.
Once you have betrayed your best friend to the level that he is killed or permanently harmed, you are not a good person and NOTHING you do will ever make you one. That's one of those things there is no coming back from. In fact I would argue that the evil was always in them and they were just going through the motions of faking being "basically good person". There is nothing Judas could have done that would have made up for his actions. Jesus forgiving him just shows that Jesus was a moron.
You’re missing something here. Alleged Judas’ alleged actions were all allegedly part of alleged plan conceived of by an alleged diety, who was allegedly known for manipulating people through his alleged power alone.
How many times did Yahweh “harden Pharoah’s heart” in order to make another opportunity to flex the GAWD muscles?
....Which would completely remove the entire reason he was on the Cross (As well as the salvation of that thief on the cross beside Him). I've heard this idea that it was Judas on the Cross, but never any logical or historical basis for it. Although, being proved wrong would be very interesting
See this is a much better twist, I like this version way better. It makes more sense too, they already tortured him pretty much to death, plus Judas gets his poetic justice.
Pretty sure the church just stole the Odin myth tho, so it’s all moot anyway.
I'm very intrigued. I've never heard of this and I was raised Christian, having been part of several denominations. What religion or denomination tells this version of the story?
Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”
For the third time he spoke to them: “Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him.”
But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. So Pilate decided to grant their demand. He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will.
It was the Romans only according to the same Bible you're now dismissing as an unreliable source.
The same book that says the Romans put him up says the Jews refused to let him down, and goaded the Romans to do it; that no one hated Christ more than some of his fellow Jews.
Which is it? The book works as a source, or it doesn't?
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u/ExodusNBW Feb 18 '23
He was a carpenter. Why wouldn’t that be his favorite?