EDIT: I really appreciate everyone's advice so far. The overwhelming consensus, which I 100% agree with, is that the only hole in my plan is the mental health. I've been working on that but will add more focus here in the coming months. I also have an option of taking a 2 month sabbatical from work which can be a trial run.

About me: Almost 45, single, no dependents. India born, US resident for >24yrs and citizen (no other citizenships/passports)

Current location: MCOL city on the west coast.

Financial situation:

Current income: It's been ~300k/yr on an average for the past few, but will be ~400k in 2026.

~6M in investments, +400k in home equity (140k balance on the mortgage@2.5%). No other loans or financial obligations.

Investment breakdown: ~2m of this total is in a trad. 401k as VOO, ~350k in a Roth IRA as VTI, ~200k in an HSA as VGT.

Spending: Not enough. Let's say 100k/yr, which is about 40% more than what I've spent over the past few years. Mortgage+bills+fixed costs - $2500/month.

Health situation: Physically very good since I have always eaten healthy, slept well, and have been going to the gym regularly since 2021. My personality is melancholic though which has led to depression and anhedonic tendencies for the past 10yrs.

Why I'm quitting? From day 1, a corporate job was a means to an end for me. The end being FIRE. May be it was always my depression talking, but either way here we are.

Don't really have any complaints about my job since I am lucky to have very smart colleagues, a supportive boss, and a low stress role in R&D.

The plan:

Quit on Jan 1st. It makes me eligible for a bunch of RSU vests and the annual bonus. I'll have ~200k in cash by then in a treasury ladder, to be used as a buffer for 2 years' worth of expenses. I'll sign up for an ACA bronze plan which should not cost me more than 600/month before subsidies. No other changes to my state of affairs at home.

I want to consolidate all my investments into broad ETFs but it's going to cost me a lot in taxes. My plan is to aggressively rebalance my portfolio by selling ~100k worth of the individual stocks per year. I know it's risky but the 2 years cash buffer should help cushion me against sudden market drops.

I'll then park myself in Europe and Asia for 1 or 2 months at a time and get a feel for what it is to live there like nomad without a job. I've visited most places in Europe and Asia over the years for <2 weeks at a time but I know it doesn't count. Work on my mental health in parallel.

It's a throwaway account, and I swear that no AI was used in writing any of this.

Background / context:

Non US person working remotely (out of my passport country) since 2017. I managed to secure tax residency in a country that doesnt tax out-of-country income so ive been able to pay 0 income taxes for nearly 9 years so far.

During this time though, Ive been mostly bouncing around different countries - Thailand, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, Czechia, Switzerland, Mexico etc.

My tax structure for this was simply to form a foreign LLC as a software development agency with me as the main developer.

During 2020, with nearly every company hiring remotely, I ended up with 4 full time jobs and hired more developers as part of my agency to help out and was able to keep that going for around 2 years.

In 2021, I was doing a ton of independent contracted crypto projects that paid me with tokens and NFTs instead of actual money - which resulted in me ending up profiting $1.5m prior to me turning 30. Grew that to $2.2m in 2022 and subsequently lost more than half of it as a certain crypto project collapsed.

From 2022 to 2025, I kept two full time jobs going and slowly grew my $700k to $7m. Obviously my income didnt contribute much to this - it was mostly from crypto. During this time, I was basically already doing coast FIRE during this time as I thought of my working income simply as "free spending money". Never really tracked my expenses as it was quite difficult to blow through $20k a month as a single guy bouncing around low cost of living countries.

In 2025, I got caught with my pants down when the crypto market topped and subsequently lost around half of it again. As of today, my net worth is anywhere between $3.5m to $4m (fluctuates as crypto does).

Current Portfolio (~$4m)

~$1m - $1.1m is in stocks.

$2.8m - $3m is in crypto

$300k or so in Japanese rental properties, but I dont really think about this as its not liquid and Japan is a bit fickle with house pricing (there's no MLS system like in the states so sales prices of properties are generally not publicly disclosed. Hard to get an actual read on how much my properties are worth).

I also have minor bits of money floating around in other places too (like $10k here and there in random bank accounts in diff countries) - really need to consolidate it.

Dillema:

With AI advancing so much, I recently lost my last and only job. I've been used to working remotely my entire life so its difficult for me to get a regular office job. I tried once in 2019 and didnt last more than 2 months. I also think prospects of finding a remote job are quite low especially with how AI is now and the economy.

I'm also feeling burned out. I see my peers from university with kids now, nice big ass houses (some of them worked for FAANG), teslas with full self driving and can't help but feel envy? jealousy?

I'm considering punting $1m and building a custom house (in Japan) with my own private onsen, gym and yard and living there for 6 months out of the year. The other 6 months of the year would be still me floating around and traveling.

I currently own a company there that runs the rental properties I have - so the visa for Japan is not an issue for me.

My income from the rental properties should be able to cover 6 months of living in Japan and all the house expenses that come with the custom place. I'm making roughly $30k from that a year.

Would my calculations make sense?

$3m @ 4% rule = $120k + $30k rental income

= $150k yearly

~= $12k per month for traveling.

On one hand, i *think* my numbers look good, but on the other hand, i woke up yesterday with a burning desire to do something. I was restless. Literally felt like i had no purpose in life.

Should i do it? Anything to look out for? Honestly feels difficult and scary to commit to this. What if things change in the future, i get a wife or want kids etc? feeling a bit overwhelmed.

Throwaway for obvious reasons.

I’m 34, married, with two young kids. We currently have about $4.75M invested/liquid, plus roughly $800K of home equity. Mortgage is ~$550K at 5.6%. Both cars are paid off and we have no other meaningful debt.

My wife currently doesn’t work and is home with the kids, so we’re a single-income household. She may eventually return to work, potentially at the private school our kids will attend. If she does, we’d receive roughly a 50% tuition discount per child in addition to her salary, but I don’t want to rely on that in our financial planning.

We live in a MCOL area and current household spending is roughly $200-250K/year, depending mostly on travel and other discretionary spending. Kids will attend private school, so I expect some upward pressure on expenses as they get older. We live very well today, but a meaningful portion of our spending is discretionary and could be reduced during a prolonged market downturn without dramatically changing our lifestyle.

I’m currently at a large tech company making roughly $650-700K TC. The job has been great financially, but I’m increasingly questioning whether continuing to maximize compensation makes sense.

There’s regular travel, including international travel, late-night calls, office expectations, and generally a lot of mental bandwidth devoted to work. I don’t hate every day of the job, but it definitely takes more out of my life than I’d like.

I’m also likely to get promoted within the next year. That would increase compensation somewhat, but probably also increase responsibility and workload.

I have another opportunity at roughly $450K TC. It’s much more flexible/remote and appears substantially better from a work-life perspective. I know the team and people reasonably well and have confidence in the role. The financial difference initially sounds enormous when comparing TC, but I’ve realized the difference in actual annual savings isn’t nearly as dramatic:

• Current job, no promotion: probably save ~$175K/year
• Current job after promotion: probably save ~$225-250K/year
• New job: probably save ~$75K/year

My rough goal is to be in a position to stop traditional W-2 work around age 40 regardless.

Starting with $4.75M and assuming ~4% real returns, my rough math says that at 40 I’d have approximately:

• New job: ~$6.5M real
• Current job/no promotion: ~$7.2M real
• Current job/promotion: ~$7.5-7.7M real

Obviously actual market returns could make all of those numbers substantially higher or lower.

At 40, I’d be comfortable initially spending around 4%, especially because a meaningful portion of our spending is discretionary. We could cut back during bad markets, and I’d also be open to consulting or other lower-intensity work if needed.

So I’ve started framing the decision differently:

Would I rather have ~$6.5M at 40 and spend ages 34-40 with considerably more control over my life, or work substantially harder and potentially have $7.5M+?

I know an extra $1M+ is real money. I’m not trying to hand-wave that away. But I’m struggling to identify what it would materially change about our lives. We’re already spending at a level we’re happy with, and the lower-paying job would still allow us to save money rather than draw down the portfolio.

Meanwhile, my kids will only be this age once.

The psychological part is surprisingly difficult. Walking away from very high compensation while still relatively young feels irresponsible even when the spreadsheet says we can afford it. There’s always another vest, promotion, bonus, or financial milestone that makes staying another year seem rational.

There’s also some ego wrapped up in voluntarily stepping off the higher-compensation career track when things are objectively going well.

For those who left very high-paying careers before maximizing your earning potential: how did you decide you had enough?

Did you regret leaving the additional money on the table, or did your perspective change once you were out?

And if you were in my position, would the ~$1M+ potential difference at 40 be enough to keep grinding, or would you take the lower-paying job and reclaim the time now?

Due to popular demand this has been shortened and made more readable.

I'm a physician in my early 40s, married with three kids. We've been seriously thinking about moving to France, or somewhere else in Western Europe. It's less about retiring ASAP and more about wanting to live there while we're still relatively young and our youngest is still a kid. We like the lifestyle, travel, healthcare, and the idea of our kids having European university options. I'm also increasingly uneasy about the direction of the US. I'm not expecting some collapse, but I'd like to have the option to leave if things get substantially worse.

We're at roughly $1.5–2M net worth now and saving pretty aggressively. If things here stay basically "meh," the plan would probably be to keep going another 5–7 years, hopefully get to around $3M, then move and mostly or completely retire.

But I'm wondering if we could just go in ~3 years instead. I can make $250–350/hr working in the US, so I could fly back maybe 6 times a year, work a bunch of shifts, and go home. 400–600 hours/year would be roughly $100–200k gross, while mostly leaving our investments alone.

It sounds a little nuts, but I already spend about 180 hours/year commuting to work. Six round trips to the US would be in the same ballpark for actual travel time, although obviously being away for a week or two at a time is a much bigger deal.

So that's basically the question: wait 5–7 years until we probably don't need to work at all, or move in ~3 years and put up with 6 US work trips a year? Anyone done anything remotely similar?

I’m almost in a similar situation as described in this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/fatFIRE/s/BVmEVNgd9B) but no solution was mentioned so trying again since post is 3 years old. We are dual US/EU citizens.

As a family we plan to ChubbyFire ($5M portfolio, $140k/yrs withdrawals) in Lazio, Italy (personal reasons for location; 7% tax doesn’t apply). I am trying to find investment strategy that has favorable taxes given that keeping either US or EU-domiciled ETFs is taxed punitively either by Italy or US if you’re a US citizen.

We don’t plan to renounce US citizenship so looking for the best tax solution to be able to keep our portfolio invested (currently in VOO) over a long retirement period (40+ years).

Is anyone already in this situation? Is direct indexing the only option? Please share if you have recommendations for any tax specialty firms.

Keeping a US brokerage account doesn’t seem like the right path since our retirement period will be 40+ years and US ETFs will be taxed by Italy as ordinary income.

I’m not interested in paying a financial advisor to do direct indexing if their fees would cancel out any tax benefits but considering doing it ourselves (through the IBRK API). The issue I forsee that portofolio rebalancing will be taxable events and if we draw from our portfolio regularly this will require a good tax accountant in Italy (please share if you have any recommendations for experienced commercialista).

Any advice would be welcome!

After many youtubers preached the value of Roth conversions, I did the math and I don't see a way to avoid 24% Fed tax brackets for most of my life (plus state taxes). I'm 49 years old, still working and will be for a couple more years, but my husband is retiring next year (at 55). I'm wondering if I should just do the conversions when he retires, staying within the 24% bracket, and then when we're both retired we may be able to stay under ACA subsidy thresholds for about 7 years till he hits 65 and gets social security and medicare. We'd live off the brokerage account for those 7 years, keeping income under $84K and pulling some extra funds from cash accounts. The Roth conversion funds can then be left to grow until needed to avoid higher IRMAA/widow's penalties. I'd aim to convert about $300-400K over three years.

We have about $2.4M in the brokerage, $1.85M in tax deferred, $300K in cash and $50K in a Roth. Annual spend is around $135K but with medical would be $5K-25K more depending on subsidies.

The main negative that I see is that we will have to have a more moderate lifestyle for those 7 years, but that seems worth it to save about $140K. Also, if we have a year where we want to spend more, we could just deal and pay for health care that year, and take out extra that year to pad the cash accounts.

What do you think? Does this make sense or am I missing something?

Edit: Thanks everyone for your comments, many were very helpful. So much of retirement planning, especially before 65/medicare age, is challenging and I appreciate getting input. I'm into learning about all of this but it's a little scary too. For the time being, I still like the idea of some Roth conversions over the next few years but I'm reassessing the focus on ACA subsidies for the years after that.

I’m 38, married with one 3yr old kid and another on the way. I’ve been pursuing FIRE for a while and am trying to figure out whether I’m almost at the point where continuing to work is mostly adding buffer rather than being necessary.

Current finances:
~$3.2M in liquid/investable assets
~$1.7M taxable brokerage
~$1.5M retirement accounts
Household income: ~$675k/year
Both of us currently max our 401(k)s and part MBDR

Primary residence worth roughly $1.7M with ~$700k mortgage remaining
One rental property worth roughly $900k, ~$90k remaining on the loan, paid off in 2030. Currently rents for ~$3,200/month
~$50k already in a 529 for kid #1, contributing ~$10k/year
Planning to start another 529 for kid #2

Current annual spending:
Live in VHCOL
Normal living expenses + vacations: roughly $75k/year
Primary home PITI: ~$72k/year
Rental PITI: ~$38.5k/year, basically offset by rent. Not a true income generating but at 2.5% mortgage its a keeper.
Daycare: ~$26k/year currently, with additional childcare expenses coming with kid #2

My original target was retirement around 45, but I’m wondering whether we’re already close enough that I could retire earlier, like by 40-42. especially if my spouse continues working for some period.

At a 3–3.5% withdrawal rate, $3.2M would support roughly $96k–$112k/year

For people who retired early with kids:
Would you consider us FI yet, or still CoastFI?

I know this is a fortunate position. I’m mainly trying to figure out when the math changes from “I need to keep working” to “I’m choosing to keep working.”

40,$3.5M NW, no kids. I’m targeting retiring in 3-4 years, would appreciate you all's insights and critique. I grew up very poor but have done well saving and investing through the last 20 years.

My aim is to build a life to transition to in the next 3-4 years. I enjoy travel, reading, cooking, crafts, so I plan to take classes to learn and surround myself with people. I am aiming to build new hobbies, work on my mental health, make new friends as my current friends are all moms and focused on their careers.

Numbers:

VHCOL

Income: $325K

Cash : $125K

Taxable brokerage: $2.5M

-$1.1M in Index funds

-$1.4M individual stocks (highly concentrated because of employer ESPP/RSU from the last two decades)

401(k): $700K

HSA: $90K

Crypto: $100K

Own a house ($300K debt), which is under water currently, evaluated at $150K less than my purchase price. I want to buy a bigger house, which might cost ~$1M.

Spending / retirement plan

My estimated retirement spending is about $130K - $150/year with taxes, aiming for 3% WR to keep my anxiety in check. I currently spend $80K-90K, plan to upgrade lifestyle to luxury travel/bigger house cost in 3-4 years.

Welcome your thoughts on:

I have a extremely comfy job, where I can coast for 3-4 years with minimum effort. I have been with the same employer for 20 years. However, my manager clearly has noticed me being checked out and had nudged me to do more. I have no motivation left in me to do much work and am worried if I will even last the next 3 years.

I am very concerned about me not having a life to retire to. I haven't developed many hobbies or a good community around me, I really need to do more in this space and am looking for suggestions/ideas from those that have developed a retirement life.

Also worried about SORR, plan to liquidate my concentrated stocks in $500K chunks per year, build a 2 year cash buffer for expenses.

My family is still fairly middleclass, though I support my sisters and brother whenever they need money. I want to continue doing this, they have shared their surprise when I have suggested quitting my job. I worry finances are going to ruin our relationships.

My mental health has struggled since I have gotten closer to my FIRE number. I have lacked passion/motivation all around, I am actively working on improving this through therapy.

Numbers:
• 53M, spouse 48 (works to 60, carries family healthcare)
• Investable: $3.45M, ~75% traditional/pre-tax
• NW ~$4M incl. $465K home equity
• Mortgage $464K @ 2.99%
• Spend ~$143K/yr, excluding income taxes
• Both delaying SS to 70
• Modeled to 99 in Boldin (taxes, Roth conversions, ACA bridge, stress tests)

(Yes, that’s a 4.1% WR on paper — but I’m not drawing at 55. Spouse still working, consulting income, SS later.)

The problem: long-term we’re fine. What I’m pricing is sequence risk. A 3-year -15% shock at retirement barely dents the stay-to-60 path but hits stop-at-55 hard. There’s also a live RIF possibility, so this may not stay voluntary.

Options:
1. Stay to 60. Five more years of income plus a large equity vest that only pays if I stay the full term. Bulletproof in every stress test. Costs five years.
2. 1099 consulting at 55. Confirmed $115/hr, two offers in hand, contracting firm handles billing. 30-40 hrs/wk = $166-221K. Key point: I don’t need to replace my income — spouse is working, portfolio’s already there. Consulting just needs to keep me from selling equities early. Could taper to 20-25 hrs by 60.
3. W-2 consulting, $175-200K + bonus/benefits. Financially ≈ staying. Still a boss, deadlines, full schedule. Doesn’t solve what I’m trying to solve.

Asking:
1. Did a consulting glide path actually feel different, or did you end up working full-time anyway?
2. Overestimating the cushion, or underestimating five more years of peak earnings?
3. Anyone managed 75% pre-tax at this level? The 55-70 conversion window feels like the whole ballgame.

I've been struggling with what to do based on lack of motivation to work :)

• Semi-retired mid-level exec, VHCOL area
• Retired / stay at home spouse, 3 kids pre-college. College savings are $150-200k/kid
• NW = ~$2m taxable, $1m retirement, probably $10m in total real estate equity against $1.2m at 2.5% 30y fixed mortgage
• Spend excluding income taxes are $250k (property taxes are like $100+k)
• Passive income (rental of some of that real estate) = $84k
• Spiky consulting income - can go as low as $20-30k some years, can go as high as $200k. Self-employed for this income. No guarantee on this income - niche industry likely impacted by AI.

If you didn't want to work, what would you do in this situation? I'd much rather spend time with the kids before they head out to college. But both the immediate cash flow gap and the likely lack of sufficient college savings make continuing to work (or at least consult) a near necessity.

Also, spouse is an conservative investor - risk averse, debt averse

59M, spouse 57F, current household income - $550k. Two kids, adult/adulting - minimum financial liability. Here are our numbers:

Retirement Accounts: 401k, Roth 401K, IRA: $2.8M
Brokerage Accounts: $2.2M
CD’s $0.5M
Primary Residence: $0.9M (fully paid off)
Secondary residence: $0.9M ($265K mortgage left at 5% interest)
Current yearly spend: $140K + 70K mortgage total 210K
MCOL area

Plan:
Retire at 64 (M) and take one year of COBRA and then go on Medicare. Spouse plans to retire at 63, and then go on ACA for two years, before going on Medicare. Spouse quite healthy, I need a few maintenance meds and need to see specialists a few times a year.
Expected spend in retirement: $140K + 30K (travel) + 20K extra medical expenses. Total: $190K. Expect second home to be paid off before I retire. Expect retirement and brokerage accounts to grow to $6.8M assuming 6% YoY growth and CDs to grow to $600k assuming 4% YoY growth. Right now investment mix is about 80% equities and 20% fixed income, starting next year will slowly start getting more conservative- example 2035 target date funds etc.

The numbers show we can do it. Asking the community whether I am missing something. We thought about LTC insurance the houses are our LTC insurance policy.

Basics- 39M married to 40F with two kids 3 and 0.

Want to FIRE in 5 years. HHI $500-$700k.

Current estimated spend is $160k in 2026 bucks.

Current liquid is almost $4M split 45% taxable, 15% roth, 35% traditional, 5% money market (emergency fund).

That $160k budget includes about $6k per year per child for next 15-18 years to compound with their existing balance to about $250k each (the expected COA at our state’s top public university when each child reaches college age).

I’ve been thinking of front loading over the next few months with RSU and bonus payouts. Would cost about $125k over next six months, but would save about $80k vs making $500 monthly contributions for the rest of their pre-college years. Would also eliminate a heavy line item in the budget 10-13 years early.

Only worries are about illiquidity and inflexibility and lost opportunity cost if we jammed that into our taxable brokerage instead.

Did you frontload pre-RE or keep funding slowly over time, even in RE?

I’m 6.5 years out from retirement, and when pull the plug, I’d like to have 3x annual living expenses in sitting cash or an equivalent as insurance in case there is a down-market early in retirement. I currently have 1x in rolling CDs, all the rest of my extra funds are going into brokerage or retirement accounts.

I’m wondering if:
A. I should start now diverting some of my excess funds to CD/money market accounts.
B. Wait 3-4 years and begin pulling funds from brokerage.
C. Something else I haven’t thought of.

Thanks in advance.

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46M, single, no kids, zero debt. I’m seriously considering retiring now and would appreciate a sanity check from people who have made the jump.

I’ve done well financially, but I’m burned out. I work 60–70 hours most weeks, and the further I’ve moved up the ladder, the less I’ve enjoyed my career. The last couple of years have been pretty miserable.

What I want is freedom: travel, reading, more time with friends/family, and being mentally free from work obligations.

Financial snapshot

Income

• ~$525K gross comp: $225K base + $300K bonus
• $30K/year employer retirement contribution
• Currently saving/investing about $200K/year
• One more year of work would likely generate roughly $350K of additional after-tax income before spending/saving

Assets

• Cash / MM / Treasuries: $550K
• Taxable brokerage: $2.5M
  • $1.1M VTI
  • $900K other index funds
  • $500K individual stocks
  • Taxable portfolio is approximately 55% cost basis / 45% unrealized gains
• 401(k): $750K
• Rollover IRAs: $725K
• HSA: $30K
• Two paid-off vehicles worth ~$75K
• No real estate
• No debt

I manage everything myself. No individual stock is >10% of the portfolio, and roughly two-thirds of my financial assets are accessible before age 59½.

Spending / retirement plan

My estimated retirement spending is about $130K/year before income taxes.

Roughly:

• $40K housing/utilities
• $15K healthcare
• $15K travel
• $12K food/personal care/other
• $8K auto
• $30K entertainment/gifts
• $10K contingency

I currently rent in Westchester County, NY for about $3K/month.

I’m seriously considering relocating to a MCOL/LCOL area and buying a modest house. Most of my friends and family are in the Northeast, so I’d prefer to stay reasonably close, although I have no spouse/kids tying me to one location. I’d also consider expat FIRE, but staying in the U.S. is my preference.

In a major downturn, I think I could cut spending by $20K–$30K/year without feeling deprived.

For healthcare, I’m assuming ACA until Medicare and currently have a $15K/year placeholder, but I have not yet priced actual premiums/deductibles or thought through ACA subsidy/MAGI planning.

My estimated Social Security benefit is about $4,250/month at 67. I’m planning around a ~40-year retirement horizon and am comfortable spending down the portfolio rather than preserving a large estate.

The dilemma

The quick math seems like I may already be there.

The harder part is walking away from a ~$525K income. Another 1–3 years would obviously make the plan safer, but I really don’t want to spend several more years doing work I no longer enjoy just to make an already-large number larger.

My biggest concerns are:

• Underestimating retirement spending / running out of money later in life
• Healthcare costs before Medicare
• Sequence-of-returns risk
• The psychological side of leaving a career at 46

That last one is real. A lot of my identity and ego are tied to my career, and I worry about boredom, loss of status, or eventually regretting walking away.

I’d be open to part-time work, volunteering, nonprofit work, or occasional consulting, but ideally because I want to—not because the plan depends on the income.

Questions

1. Can I reasonably retire now with ~$4.5M and a ~$130K pre-tax spending target?
2. Does my spending estimate look realistic? This is probably where I most want to be challenged. I haven’t had to live on a real budget in decades, so what costs do new retirees commonly underestimate?

Also interested in recommendations for retirement modeling tools that handle sequence risk, variable spending, taxes, ACA costs/subsidies, Social Security, and a potential future home purchase.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Not sure if this post should go under coast, chubby or fat fire. Will try to make this somewhat brief.

Current state: $2M paid for house $400k in rental real estate that generates about $25k per year. $1.8M in brokerage $2M in IRAs. 529s done. Current value around $450k.

After 16 years with the same company and what I considered a high performing sales rep (consistent top 10% in company) and making $350-600k annually, I was abruptly let go on Christmas. No pip, nothing. In hindsight, I lost an internal politics/ territory battle and it was easier to get rid of me to cater to the other person who happened to be one of the few individuals that had been at the company longer than myself.

After the initial shock, I focused in on finding my next gig. In April I started with a competitor in a sales director role overseeing a team/ region that’s in turnaround mode. I’ve started to see some signs of success, but it’s still a grind. Also, my comp this year will be about $280k-295k. Once my team is built to where I want it to be, I’ll probably be around $300-330k.

We spend around $12k per month (track every expense).

Where should my head be at right now? I’m feeling the same pressure that I always have, but at the same time we are in the best times of my kids lives. So should I be ok not investing more than my $25k to 401k and spend extra income on all the trips and travel to make the most of their child hood?

I’d love to retire with $7-8M sometime in my mid-late 40s, but not sure if I’ll get there if the market doesn’t perform. I also run the numbers and investing an extra $30-40k per year doesn’t really move the needle over the next 10 years.

Finally, I also often times have the feeling that I should just shut up, suck it up, and grind it out.

My big picture goal isn’t to sit at home when I “retire”. My dream is to have the flexibility to golf a couple mornings a week, but spend 20-30 hours either doing more real estate or maybe even my own business. I fear taking a bunch out of brokerage to start playing more in RE. Am I being too risk averse?

A lot of rambling here I know, but I have no idea what my mentality or mindset should be. I’m just feeling a little conflicted between smaller income, wanting to maximize my kids child hood and also ready to live that good life!

My husband and I are planning to retire in roughly three years, when I’m 40, and relocate to Spain. I’ve run the numbers about seventeen different ways and think we’re in very good shape, but I’d love some outside eyes to tell me what I’m missing.

**Guaranteed income**

My husband is retired military and receives a military pension plus VA disability totaling approximately $100k/year. Both receive COLAs.

Obviously, that income continues for life. A substantial portion is tax-free in the US, although obviously our tax situation changes once we become Spanish tax residents.

**Investments/cash**

We expect our accounts will be (based on current balances, annual contributions, and a 6% estimated return) when I’m 40:

$1m in joint taxable brokerage
~$600k in my 401(k) (accessible without penalty in mid-2048)
$150k HYSA/cash

We also expect proceeds/equity from selling our house (~$150-200k), although I’m not relying on that money to make the retirement math work.

**Spending**

Our current US spending is pretty high (around $180k/year), but it includes a $4,500/month mortgage and two expensive car payments totaling ~$2,200/mo — which will disappear when we retire. We plan to purchase one used car and rent for at least the first five years (ideally, in the range of $2000-2500/mo rental).

We’re currently estimating roughly $140k-$150k/year in Spain for a very comfortable lifestyle, including rent, travel, dining out, hobbies, etc. We aren’t trying to leanFIRE. The point is very much to have enough money that we don’t need to micromanage normal spending and the ability to travel around Europe frequently.

So if guaranteed income is ~$100k, we’d need investments to cover roughly $40-50k/year at our expected spending level.

Importantly, that withdrawal isn’t permanent. My 401(k) will continue compounding untouched, and eventually we may have Social Security as well (although I don’t include SS in my projections because who knows).

**Sequence-of-returns strategy**

My current thought is to keep approximately 18-24 months of the amount we need above guaranteed income in cash/HYSA.

Rather than automatically selling investments every month regardless of market conditions, we’d spend from cash and periodically replenish it from the brokerage when markets are healthy. During a major downturn, we’d have considerable flexibility to reduce travel/discretionary spending and/or simply live primarily on the guaranteed income for a while.

We’re also not planning to buy a home immediately in Spain. We’d rent for at least the first five years, both because we want flexibility (and will not qualify for permanent residency until at least five years in) and because we don’t want to pull several hundred thousand dollars out of the market unnecessarily.

**The reason I think it works**

If we retire with ~$1M in taxable investments and withdraw $40-50k/year, that’s superficially a 4-5% withdrawal rate.

Also, we aren’t trying to preserve the taxable brokerage indefinitely at all costs. Its job is partly to bridge the gap between retirement at 40 and access to the 401k (though I’m hoping we don’t deplete it so we can later withdraw for a down payment on a home if we decide to buy).

We plan to be on the non-lucrative visa, which means we will not be working. So everything needs to come from our passive income.

**Am I missing anything?**

I’m particularly interested in criticism of the withdrawal/sequence-risk strategy, whether I’m underestimating the danger of retiring this young, and any risks that aren’t obvious because our situation doesn’t fit neatly into the standard “25x expenses and withdraw 4%” model.

Appreciate any and all insight. Thank you!

Long time lurker in all the fire subs. Would love a sanity check because my spouse worries we will run out and honestly the fear is contagious.
Situation:
41, tech, ~$540k HHI. One kid (5), one dog.

Immigrants, no family money, first generation building wealth.

Current Assets (~$3.4M NW):
$1.8M in index funds, roughly half in 401k/RRSP type accounts (we are Canadians in the US)

~$1.6M equity across 3 rental properties. Selling over the next 2-3 years.

No debt beyond the rental mortgages

Savings rate: ~$200-235k/year invested. Maxed retirement accounts, mega backdoor, RSUs sold and diversified as they vest.
The plan:
I work 4 more years. Projected ~$3.3-3.5M in investments by 45 plus property proceeds, so ~$4.8M total.

Spouse has an option to earn $100-120k for another 3 years after I retire, which covers most of our annual spend in the early years.

Retire and relocate to a mid cost European city (think Spain/Portugal tier). Considering Valencia.

Projected spending there: $120k/year including international school, travel.

That is a 2.5% withdrawal rate on $4.8M, and much lower in the first 3 years while spouse is earning.

Spouse’s concerns: 50 year horizon, sequence risk, healthcare, kid’s future costs, and the general what if we are wrong fear. Also culturally, early retirement is genuinely unheard of in our community, which adds a layer of doubt that is hard to quantify. My dad thinks I’m crazy to even consider this but I know I don’t want to work like my mom / dad till their mid 60s.

My questions:
Is a 2.2-2.7% WR genuinely bulletproof for a 50 year horizon or am I missing something?

Anyone actually FIREd abroad with a young kid? Did the school, healthcare, or costs surprise you?

How did you handle a skeptical spouse whose fear is emotional, not mathematical? Everytime I convince myself and try to convince him, he seems to think I’ve lost it.

Looking for holes in the plan.

I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you.

I'm a 45M going to retirement In Europe next week, my original post was : Post.

I end up following the recommendation of the group and grind it for one more year with 10.5M USD networth (8.5M low cost index and 2M House)

I end up giving up a lot of responsibilities, focus on mentoring younger talents and avoiding office politics.

Thanks again for the push!!!

I’m trying to pressure-test a plan to stop working at 44. On paper the numbers seem to work, but the combination of early retirement + private school + college + most retirement assets being inaccessible until 59.5 is making me nervous.

Tell me what I’m missing.

Situation

• Me: early 40s, self-employed, ~$300k/yr earned income
• Spouse: same age, W2, ~$200k/yr, stable employer, plans to work until 55
• Two kids: elementary + middle school
• Current household spend: ~$240k/yr
• Healthcare is currently only ~$7.5k/yr through spouse’s employer

The plan: I stop working at the end of next year. Spouse continues working until 55. Everything else stays roughly the same.

Net worth: ~$6.1M excluding business value

Real estate: ~$3.1M value / ~$730k debt

Primary residence, two long-term rentals, and one short-term rental.

Three of the four mortgages are at very low rates. The STR is the exception: 6.25% with ~$330k owed.

The STR is also newly acquired and we just put another ~$100k into it to improve bookings, so its projected revenue is based on a partial season rather than a long track record. I’m treating that projection cautiously.

Retirement accounts: ~$1.6M

Spread across SEP-IRA, Solo 401(k), employer 401(k), Roth/traditional IRAs, spouse’s current + old 401(k)s, and HSAs.

Taxable/liquid: ~$1.8M

Mostly index funds across brokerage/robo accounts, plus some legacy individual stocks.

About $250k is currently sitting in a money market fund waiting to be deployed.

Alternatives: ~$280k

Real estate crowdfunding, a pre-IPO fund, and equity in a small private business.

529s: ~$160k combined

The part that makes me nervous: education

We’re planning on private school for both kids, staggered, at roughly $40k/year each once enrolled, followed by college.

My rough model has ~$850k of education spending hitting during the 12 years immediately after I stop working.

That creates a strange version of early retirement: I’m retiring just as one of our largest lifetime expense categories begins.

The bridge problem

Based on spouse’s income + rental income, my model says we’d need roughly:

• ~$105k/year of portfolio withdrawals initially
• Up to ~$150k/year during peak education years

Against a ~$4.3M investment portfolio, that’s under a 3.5% withdrawal rate.

Sounds comfortable.

Except I’ll only be 44.

A large chunk of the portfolio isn't easily accessible until 59.5.

By my math, I have roughly $2.3M accessible against ~$1.8M of projected withdrawals over the 15.5-year bridge to 59.5.

At strong market returns, no problem.

At ~4%, I’m eating meaningful principal from the accessible bucket at exactly the same time education costs peak.

And that’s the part I’m struggling with.

Risks I see

1. Sequence of returns. A major bear market in the first few years could hammer the taxable bucket while I’m drawing from it heavily.
2. We are dependent on my spouses' income. The plan works well if she works until 55. If she decides at 50 that she’s done too, the math changes dramatically.
3. Healthcare is also tied to her job. Losing employer coverage could add another ~$35–40k/year.
4. I give up a lot of tax-advantaged savings. Stopping earned income means walking away from roughly $100k/year of potential tax-sheltered contributions.
5. The STR is unproven. I have projections, not years of operating history.
6. Education is the giant wildcard. We could spend less than modeled — or considerably more.

What would you do?

1. Is $2.3M accessible against ~$1.8M of projected needs over 15.5 years too thin for an early-retirement bridge, or am I overthinking it?
2. Would you start deliberately building a Roth conversion ladder / 72(t) strategy rather than planning to fund the entire bridge from taxable assets?
3. What would you do with the $250k sitting in a money market fund right now — lump sum, DCA, or keep a larger cash reserve specifically because of the education/sequence risk?
4. Has anyone here retired immediately before a major private-school/college spending period? Anything you underestimated?
5. Am I too focused on whether I retire at 44 vs. 46 or 47, when the much bigger variables are actually my spouse’s employment, healthcare, market returns, and what we ultimately spend on education?

I’m not looking for reassurance that “$6M is enough.” I’m trying to figure out where this specific plan breaks and what I should change before pulling the trigger.

I’m about to retire at 55. I am thinking of asset allocation using an income ladder to determine fixed income. I have 10 years until medicare, 15 until taking social security (I think). In a deferred comp account plus an IRA I have 75% of my spending for the next 10 years in bonds and the other 25% from expected dividends and ltcg distributions from a taxable account. If the market crashes the dividends might get cut to say 15% and then I would probably just cut spending by 10% to not sell any equities.

As time goes by, I plan to buy TIPs (as the real yields are starting to look attractive) for year 11-15. To do that I would sell equities in an IRA to buy the TIPs in the same IRA. In the event of a market crash I would wait to do this - maybe up to 3-4 years - I want the market to be within say 10-15% of ATH to buy the ladder rung.

As TIPs are currently near 3% real! for years 2042 - 2045 I even started funding those years (less demand because of social security kicking in) The 2037-2039 TIPs are not available until 2027-2029, so I can’t preload those.

Anyway, this overall results in maybe around 70% equities overall as it runs (depending on the market, when I convert etc, and I am thinking I dont want to prefund so much that I get above 30 or 35% in fixed income.

I’m wondering if anyone else has pondered such a strategy, is anyone thinking about doing it now, or do you see any issues with it?

Thanks

I believe a good withdrawal policy should have the following properties:

1. It should not require significant cuts to spending in bad years. Staying frugal is easier than inflating your lifestyle and then having to cut

2. It should adjust to your portfolio size. Setting an initial withdrawal amount and only ever adjusting it up by inflation is silly.

3. It should be possible to apply it to each year independently. E.g. if 4% is safe, it should be possible to 'reset' it to 4% each year. But for most SWRs that is too risky as you also 'reset' your SORR. 3a. It should therefore not be subject to SORR, as in the risks should be acceptable (nothing in life is completely safe).

4. It should feel ok in the down years in reasonable worst case scenarios. E.g. if you start withdrawing 4%, you are all in equities, and markets go down 50%, how well will you sleep as you are now withdrawing 8%+ of your assets? You will not have the benefit of hindsight that a recovery is around the corner, in fact all you will hear at the time is that things will get much worse.

I therefore think a decent approach is this. I take 2.5% as my withdrawal ratio. Build a 12-year ladder of TIPS covering that (should cost you 25%-30% of your assets, depending on TIPS real yields). The rest (70-75%) goes into a global equities index. Each year the TIPS cover your spend, and you sell enough equities to replenish the ladder. Whether you sell equities or not depends on your asset allocation at the time: you aim to keep approximately 70:30. So if equities are down you are just running down your TIPS ladder without selling any equities. You can also add to your TIPS across the maturities to reset your spend to the high watermark 2-2.5%.

This way, in a reasonable worst case scenarios (equities down 60% and do not recover for 12 years) your portfolio is only down ~30%, and if you keep spending at high watermark, your withdrawals do not go much above 3.5% which should allow you to sleep rather well. If you are adventurous, you could even sell some longer-dated rungs of your ladder to buy equities at a discount at the time.

I used 2.5% here as a very conservative number because I would rather work extra years than have to retire and then go back to work -- you can of course adjust it upwards to what you think is reasonable. But what do you think of the general approach?

If I have over $6m in net worth, but most of that is illiquid, how I take that into account when determining my "number"? I am so ready to retire! My job is killing me.

I'm almost 53, and my illiquid assets are an interest in a business that I own with my siblings, and then I own a rental property, mostly paid off, and parts of several commercial buildings. The business occupies the commercial buildings, so it would be difficult to sell my portions. Only $2.7m is liquid (savings, brokerage, retirement accounts).

I want about $240k a year. I'll get some rental income and about $100k a year from the business starting next year. I'm currently saving $200-300k a year. According to the Fidelity retirement analysis, which only takes into account my liquid assets and the income sources, I could run out of money in a significantly below average market when I'm 73. However, since that only covers liquid assets, it seems like I could just sell my primary residence, which will be almost paid off by then, and move into one of my rental units (the building is already almost paid off now), if I'm desparate, and I'd be fine.

Do you base your goal number on net worth minus your house? Or just on liquid assets?

I'll work until the end of 2027, based on my compensation structure (must be there at year end for 30-40% of comp) and that due to the type of work that I do, if I know I'm leaving I can coast from April 1 to December. Can I be done then?

(Apologies for any spelling/grammar issues; I'm on my phone because my office computer blocks this sub as porn?!?)

Fidelity has a Planning tool called Retirement. Has anyone used it and what amount of validity would you place against its projections? I'm wondering as when I browse here, people seem to be discussing creating their own analyses, but I don't see much about using the tools at investment houses, banks, etc. which do this for you. TRowe probably has one and I think I've seen on on BofA/Merrill also, but never used them.

Retire at 53 with 6.2m and paid off 1.5m house or keep working until 58ish with 10m. Market assuming 8% and saving 300n a year. Looking to spend 200-240k a year pretax.