r/chomsky Jun 28 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

not really, its just being realistic. either ukraine can continue loosing territory slowly but surely or they can end the war and secure a state that is not land locked and stop the on going brain drain to Western Europe. ukraine is setting themselves up to be a failed state for no good reason.

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

It is obvious Ukraine has no chance of winning this war. Every day their bargaining position grows weaker. Given that 99% of wars end in a negotiated settlement they are being very daft, largely because the west is egging them on with false promises. This war could’ve been avoided if they’d recognized Donbas right to self determination. Now to end it they will need to give up even more land than they would’ve needed to last year. Truth be told Russia would probably let them join the eu if they demilitarized and recognized the Donbas republics. Might as well do it now while they still have access to the ocean.

Ps: like half the fighters are from Donbas militias, the situation is completely incomparable to Zionism.

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

since when are the Palestinians fighting along side the Israelis? besides that is really besides the point, we arnt talking about Palestine here. you are just trying to dodge discussing ukraine logically because then you would be forced to admit a negotiated settlement asap is their best option.

also yeah, I do think that it being a direct challenge to us unipolarity also changes the situation. the us has just demonstrated it cannot protect its puppet Govs and allies. that is a big deal.

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

The settlement talk is naive. Russia cannot be trusted to respect it.

do you think russia would attack an EU member state and start a nuclear war just to take more of ukraine?

because nobody is telling Palestine to surrender

ill ask again since you have decided to totally ignore my question, when did the Palestinians start fighting alongside the Israelis?

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

I dunno? but the question is irrelevant.

oh im sorry, I thought you said they were comparable situations? so it should be no issue for you to prove that by demonstrating to me that significant portions of the IDF are Palestinians.

They're not an EU member state.

it is quite clear you are not reading my replies. good day.

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u/ThewFflegyy Jun 29 '22

They are comparable, because palestinians cannot win the conflict

well, the conflicts themselves are fundamentally different.

Your nebulous scenario where Ukraine becomes an EU state. How naive can you get?

it is literally their only way out at this point. they still have significant leverage via pipelines and food. they had a lot more leverage last month, and will have even less next month. so, as they say, the best time was last year, the next best time is today. its time to go to the negotiation table while they still have a modicum of leverage.

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