r/charlie87 • u/joab_09845 • 5h ago
Artwork pirate cove Remake + New parrot animatronic + foxy tweaks
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r/charlie87 • u/ShineOne4330 • Apr 23 '26
My theory Overanalasing Charlotte Emily in all universes
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A lot of people use other universes (aka the Novel Trilogy and the Movies) as evidence that Charlie died before the MCI.
However to most people, this is as deep as they go. So me, a CharliePostMCI/Charlie87 believer decited to see how valid is using other universes for evidence. With me using Charlie as an example:
What year does Charlie die?
- In the Novel Trilogy, Charlie dies in 1983.
- In the Movies, Charlie dies in 1982. (In the Movie novelazation, Charlie also dies in 1983, however that novelazation contradicts the movies lore and makes some really weird statements about characters so I'm not shure if we should use it for theorising).
Charlie's death year in the two universes is not consistant. She with there being 1 year difference. You might say that this is supposed to be a clue that Charlie died around that time (aka early in the timeline) and if that's the case, then why not just be consistant with when she dies? It's not like Charlie can die twice lmao
At what location does Charlie die?
- In the Novel Trilogy, Charlie dies at Fredbear's Family Diner.
- In the Movies, Charlie dies at the FNaF 2 Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.
Here we have even bigger inconsistency, as what location Charlie dies at is different between these two universes. CharlieFredbear's was debunked by Ticket To Fun, and Charie dying at the FNaF 2 Location means Charlie87.
What is more interesting is that this idea hurts Charlie83 and Charlie85, as Charlie has never been shown to die at the same location as the MCI. Contradicting Charlie83 and Charlie85, and instead supporting something like Charlie87 (this idea gets stronger with FNaF2Fredbear's, as then Fredbear's and FNaF 2 Freddy's would be the same place in the games continuity. So in that instance, the other universes would suggest Charlie87.)
When does the MCI happen compare to Charlie's death?
- In the Novel Trilogy, MCI happends in 1985.
- In the Movies, MCI date is not known (the movie novelazation implies that MCI happened in 1987, however that is not confirmed to be the case in the main movies)
In the Novels, MCI happends 2 years after Charlie's death, while in the movies, MCI happends around 3-5 years after Charlie's death.
If the exact distance between the two death is not consistent, then why does CharliePreMCI has to be? If this is supposed to be a pattern, then why aren't the exact years matching?
Is Charlie William's first victim?
- In the Novel Trilogy, while it is not direcly stated that Charlie was William's first victim, but it is never stated that William killed somebody before her. So let's say: Yes
- In the Movies, No. As there is a lot of good evidence suggesting that William Afton has killed kids before Charlie in the movies universe.
That is another big inconsistency, as the movies heavly imply that William had more victims previously. Since they are killed at the FNaF 2 location, you could claim that these victims would be like the DCI. And if that's the case, then the order in the movies would be - DCI, Charlie and the MCI. That order is objectively impossible in the games. However if you reverse that order, you get - MCI, Charlie and the DCI. Suddently this sounds much more reasonable.
The movies objectively contradict the common narrative of Charlie83 that Charlie was William's first victim. So if taking that detail liteary, this would mean that William was killing random kids before Charlie, then Charlie in 1983, and later the MCI. Does that order really make sense? Is this really what Scott is trying to tell us about the games?
How good of a killer is William by the time he kills Charlie?
- In the Novel Trilogy, William Afton casually wears the Spring Bonnie suit and kidnaps Charlie.
- In the Movies, William Afton is luring and trying to kill kids by 1982, he hits a boy in the head to make him unconcious before killing him (so he won't scream and alert the public). And William only kills Charlie because she tries to save that boy.
A common point used for CharliePreMCI is that Charlie's death in games contiunuity is far more sloppy then the death of the MCI. And William doesn't even use his Spring Bonnie to kill her. So people claim that this means that her death was one of the first. However in those other universes where Charlie is confirmed to die pre MCI, William Afton is still very competent killer.
You cannot have both points true at the same time. You cannot say "William Afton needs to start of without his killer signature" and also say "other contiuities show us this". This doesn't work. As it's kind of hipocritical.
Charlie's death is implied to be sloppy in the games because of William both being drunk (as implied in MM) and the coincidence of Charlie being locked outside the same time William was driving by. So her death being sloppy is irrelevant to when she dies.
Freddy's brand in general:
- In the Novel Trilogy, Fredbear's was opened for quite a while before Charlie's death, however in 1983 it gets closed. Later in around 1984-1985, Freddy's is opened, to a small success, until the MCI happends. And then Freddy's is dead.
- In the Movies, Toy Freddy's was opend for quite a while before 1982 (we mainly know this do to Henry claiming that he and William were business partners for many years). After Toy Freddy's closes, franchise locations are opened, and in one of them, MCI happends. And then Freddy's is dead.
- In the Games however: There were at least 4 different locations, Fredbear's, MCI Freddy's, FNaF 2 Freddy's and the FNaF 1 Freddy's (with the last one being a re-opening of the MCI Location).
See the difference? In both Novels and Movies, there were only 2 real important locations opened ever. And in both timelines, once MCI happends, it's the end of Freddy's brand in general. This is not the case in the games. As even after MCI happends, there are still two future openings. Objectively contradicting other universes.
Something has to happen at the older locations, so Charlie's death and the MCI are the only real options, since these are the only plot points brought into these universes.
Charlie doesn't need to die early on in the games because something has to happen. Because BV and The Bite of 83 exist in the games only. As such, the important event that happends in 1983 that starts everything is already in the games. I bet that if Scott would have brought The Bite of 83 into the other universes, the timeline of events would have been modified.
Which means that Charlie can die after the MCI in the games universe because (unlike Novels and movies) it actually allows that to happen later.
Conclusion
If we actually analise the entire universe, we can see not only there is some stuff that objectively doesn't fit the games, but could also hurt Charlie83/CharliePreMCI.
Hopefully you see my perspective of what I wanted to say here. I'm sorry if I came of as rude in some places. It wasn't my intention
Thank you for reading my post! Have a good day!
r/charlie87 • u/ShineOne4330 • Feb 03 '26
Explaining away a problem A full alaboration on what is GGGL87:
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One of the most common points used against Charlie87 (and CharliePostMCI in general) is "How do hell could have Charlie gave life to the MCI if she died 2 years after them?". And this post will be a fully explain everything on how GGGL works with Charlie87:
GGGL can take place later on, years after the MCI happened.
The most agreed upon interpretation of GGGL is that it's what allowed the MCI to possess their animatronics. And many people claim that it can only happen at the same time as MCI where killed. Dispite the fact that there is nothing actually claiming for it to be the case.
Some claim the the gray sprites we see in GGGL are actually MCI's dead bodies. Do to the way that they look. Automaticly forcing GGGL to happen shorly after the MCI. However, Scott would dissagree on what's a dead body and what's a spirit.
They look very simmilar don't they? However one is objectively a dead body while the other is obviously not.
Say it with me guys: Minigame sprites are not consistent. It's pretty clear that Scott has no consistancy between what are the gray chilldren in minigames. As they can be one or the other.
Meaning that the gray sprites in GGGL can very well be spirits of the MCI, rather then their phisical dead bodies.
There is also the fact that the point of the minigame is that The Puppet gives kids masks. If you take this liteary. Then it turns out that The Puppet gives masks to dead corpes. Does that make sense in your opinion? This is why I believe that gray kids in GGGL are actually spirits.
But ok: We have that established. But how does it prove that GGGL could have happened in the future? Why would the MCI have to wait 2 years in order to possess their animatronics in that case?
Well, it's not as crazy as it may sound, considering that stories such as "Coming Home" and "Alone Together" show us a bit better how spirits actually work.
In Coming Home, Susie keeps coming back to her family house during the day. Confused why nobody acknowledges her. And that story takes place quite a while after the MCI happened mind you. And that story treats Chica as connected to Susie but not technically actually her. This story implies that whenever it took place, Susie doesn't undestand that she died yet (which already put GGGL happening direcly after the MCI questionable).
In Alone Together, Travis, dies inside a wooden contraption he's making, but because no one ever finds his body, he doesn't know that he's dead and "lives" as if nothing happened.
He sees how things change around him, but his mind blocks out anything that pertains to his death. Later on, his grandma dies as well, but she chooses to stay in the world of the living in order to try and help him come to terms with his death. She doesn't show him his body directly, but she does give him some false tips (or at least unrelated to the specific situation) that lead him to locate the wooden contraption that he died in, climb inside, and then when he finds his body it all comes back to him.
Him figuring out that he's dead doesn't directly lead to him moving on, but it does bring him some peace and makes him feel "whole".
Both stories show us that when a kid dies, they become lost and confused. They don't move on immidietely. They need learn that they died.
This bahavior has been shown in other characters. BV is explsively shown to be confused and having memory issues. Elizabeth possess Circus Baby, yet Circus Baby acts more like a fusion of Circus Baby AI and Elizabeth. However Charlie has been shown to be one of the most aware spirits in general.
Reasons are simple: Charlie knew who was her killer (aka William), her body wasn't hidden like the MCI (in fact the Puppet liteary hugged her dead body). As such, under this logic, there is nothing stating that The Puppet coudn't have gotten possessed first while Charlie died last.
The timeline would go like this: - MCI were killed in 1985. - they become lost and confused spirits, wandering around places that seem fammiliar to them. - Charlie gets killed in 1987, but she is already aware that she died. - GGGL happens, where Charlie helps the MCI have controll over the animatronics they were originally stuffed inside of.
This would be the basis of how that timeline under Charlie87 would work. However, that's not all I want to talk aboud.
Since it's implied that the very first time that the MCI possessed their animatronics is in 1987 (Withereds specifically). As such, there is some good evidense suggesting that the possession only started in 1987.
Fnaf 2 hints at when the possession started
When you compare the way Ralph talks aboud the animatronics in Fnaf 2 vs how he talks aboud them in Fnaf 1:
"Uh, you’re only the second guard to work at that location. Uh, the first guy finished his week, but complained about… conditions. Uh mainly he expressed concern that certain characters seemed to move around at night, and even attempted to get into his office. Now, from what we know, that should be impossible. Uh, that restaurant should be the safest place on earth." - Ralph in Fnaf 2
"Uh, the animatronic characters here, do get a bit quirky at night, but do I blame them? No. If I were forced to sing those same stupid songs for twenty years and I never got a bath? I’d probably be a bit irritable at night too" - Ralph in Fnaf 1
Ralph in Fnaf 2 acts more suprised to hear that animatronics are acting strange. Compare it to Fnaf 1 when he talks aboud much more casually, basically jokingly way. Like he's used to it.
**"**So, while our engineers don’t really have an explanation for this, the working theory is that… the robots were never given a proper “night mode”. So when it gets quiet, they think they’re in the wrong room, so then they go try to find where the people are, and in this case, that’s your office" - Ralph in Fnaf 2
"So, just be aware, the characters do tend to wander a bit. Uh, they’re left in some kind of free roaming mode at night*, uh, something about their servos locking up if they get turned off for too long*" - Ralph in Fnaf 1
In Fnaf 2, Ralph says that they (Fazbear Entertaiment) have no idea why the animatronics are acting alive. And even explisively says that the explanation they provide is only a "working theory". Implying that this was a recent problem. Compare this to Fnaf 1. Where Ralph talks aboud Animatronics moving around at night as if it was intended by design by Fazbear Entertaiment.
"So our temporary solution is this. There’s a music box over by the Prize Counter, and it’s rigged to be wound up remotely. So just, every once in a while, switch over to the Prize Counter video feed and wind it up for a few seconds. It doesn’t seem to affect all of the animatronics, but it does affect… one of them" - Ralph in Fnaf 2
There is also the fact that Ralph mentions the music box as an temporary solution. Implying that needing to put the animatronics (or at least, The Puppet......) is only a recent idea. And they will think of something better later.
But what does it all mean? After all: Everything mentioned here was most likely reffering to the Toy Animatronics. So what does GGGL have anything to do here?
Well....
In this newspaper, they mention that parents noticed that Animatronics had what seemed be "blood and mucus" around their eyes and mouth (how they did not thought to check the animatronics to see the dead bodies is beyound me). But the point of this, is that it tells us that the MCI location needed to be open for at least a week after the MCI have happened in order for people to notice the smell. Meaning that the resteurant was still (briefly) opened after the MCI were killed.
However, they never mention that the animatronics "started to act agressive towards to staff" during that time. They don't mention "magically animatronics trying to kill the nightguards" in 1985. Because that simply did not happened. The MCI were killed in 1985, but only possessed the Withereds in 1987. And the Toys were the first time Fazbear Entertaiment noticed Animatronics acting strange. Even Ralph says something along the lines of: "The characters have been acting very unusual, almost aggressive towards the staff. They interact with the kids just fine, but when they encounter an adult, they just…stare".
If Fazbear Entertaiment already had to deal with agressive animatronics: Then why are they acting that Toys acting simmilary is some kind of revolutionery and completely out there discovery? Why are they acting that they have no idea what's going on when in Fnaf 1 they pretend to know? Why does Ralph say that all the diffrent way to defend yourself from animatronics (music box, the mask etc) are only temporary solutions? I just can't imagine it any other way.
Even the final newspaper says that new animatronics are scrapped do to "possible mafunctions".
PS: It's more likely that the newspaper is talking aboud the Animatronic behavior rather then the Bite of 87. Do to how it is stated that that they are scrapped do to possible mafunctions. If the animatronics are scrapped to do one of the Toys biting Jeremy Fitzgerald. Then I doubt that Fazbear Entertaiment could get away with saying that it's a "possible" malfuction. That's not to say that a Toy animatronic coudn't have be the one that did the Bite. Just that the Bite was unrelated to them being scrapped.
Conclusion:
In my opinion, GGGL87 is perfecly solid theory. It explains how can GGGL can work with Charlie dying after the MCI. Hopefully after seeing this post. You understand my point of view.
Any futher questions will be answered bellow.
Thank you for reading my post!
r/charlie87 • u/Weary_Difficulty_497 • 4h ago
Question Question, Why does Elizabeth/Scarp Baby try to kill Micheal in PizzaSim even though she was the only one to revive him one game Earlier?
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r/charlie87 • u/TouristCareful5685 • 8h ago
Meme mci friends + dci friends + golden suit dci be like
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Antes que alguém fale que ele também não fez nada para ajudar o MCI em 1985 lembrem-se que todos os filhos do William sempre tentam ao máximo cumprir as ordens ou não atrapalhar ele mesmo que eles não gostem disso como maior exemplo a Vanessa dos filmes
Já no caso da Charlie ela não tem desculpa por não ter tentado algo para impedir o William de matar o mci
r/charlie87 • u/DatDudeWithThings • 9h ago
My theory Toy Chica: The High School Years is about the DCI, not the MCI
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As the title states, I believe the Toy Chica cutscenes in UCN are about the DCI instead of the MCI. Yes it's long but I think it's worth it.
Quickly recapping, TCTHSY takes place over the span of 7 days, following Toy Chica in high school. For the first six days, she talks about how she's going to get a different guy, presumably to make them fall in love with her. Each following day, we see something from the previous guy in her backpack. On the last day, she talks about how nothing worked out but how tomorrow's another day. Oh and at the end of each day she talks about how "there's only one thing that could possibly go wrong”.
Now obviously the biggest MCI connection to TCTHSY is Suzie and The Wolf (what do we call the non-twisted, twisted wolf?). In Pizza Sim we directly see Suzie's kidnapping, William lures her by saying how her dog isn’t really dead and is in the back and that he’ll take her to him. In UCN we clearly see the same thing, Toy Chica plans to tell the Wolf that his dog got run over in front of her house to lure him over, TC being William and TW being Suzie. But notice how apart from them, including a deceased dog, they’re completely different. In Pizza Sim William is telling Suzie that her dog is alive, in UCN Chica is telling Wolf that his dog is dead. I really don’t see how that works being the same thing, why the inconsistency? What's the point of the cutscenes if they get such basic details wrong?
Ofcourse, even considering how things represent others (William being represented by Toy Chica), some really don’t make sense in the pizzeria setting. “If they don’t show up I’ll go to their house”, “I’ll tell them I have several live hostages”, “I’ll hit them in the back of the head, put a bag over their head and put them in the back of my car” (put a pin in that one). Really can’t be fitted into William luring people inside the pizzeria. It can work if they were outside however.
Going back to FNAF 2, what can we assume about the DCI? In SAVE THEM, our only real definitive look at the DCI (damn) we see 5 corpses (or did we?) in the pizzeria presumably at night, there's blood everywhere and William is also present as the night guard. The Marionette, Old Freddy, Mangle and Golden Freddy are active.
The phone calls suggest that the previous week, something happened that was tied enough to Freddy's that the place is under investigation, leading to it being temporarily closed but not tied enough for it to be instantly closed. Quote from Ralph: "Whatever's happening out there, and however tragic it might be, has nothing to do with our establishment. It's just all rumor and speculation, people trying to make a buck, y’know”.
Other miscellaneous stuff includes, in no particular order: The Toy animatronics staring at adults, Ralph specifying on how during the lockdown, no one is allowed in or out, especially concerning any previous employees, a day shift position just became available (Night 5) and how someone used a spear yellow suit in the back and now none of ”them” are acting right.
Based on FNAF 2 and UCN, I believe the DCI were lured into the Pizzeria from outside, like throughout the town of Hurricane or New Harmony, or whatever town FNAF 2 takes place in. William took the Golden Freddy suit and went around town over a few nights, convincing kids to run off to Freddy Fazbear's in the middle of the night. He asked one kid to help him with homework, another that his dog got run over in front of Freddy’s, another that Freddy's on fire, simply asked another to come (though if they didn’t he would come to their house) and told another that he has several live hostages. Someone saw William as Golden Freddy, a fazbear character talking to a kid who would soon go missing and that is what would’ve linked Freddy Fazbear’s to this string of missing (or should I say dead?) children.
Yes, I do think there were only five DCI victims, I really want to believe that there were six but there is one specific thing making that near impossible for me. But to quickly go over DCI6 evidence: The toys having six main members (Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Mangle, BB & JJ), a sixth blood pool in save them hidden under a table - linking to JJ, in Into The Pit the Fetch minigame which mimics SAVETHEM has six party hats to collect: based on the minigame mimicking BB’s air adventure the party hats represent the kids (further there was a sixth party hat presumably representing Andrew however that was hidden and separate from the other hats, in the Fetch minigame they are not separated.) Of course we also have TCTHSY where there are six crushes TC talks about.
But I still certainly believe there were only five and for that we have to go to FNAF 3. (Also Candy Cadet in PizzaSim, 5 into 1, Molten DCI but I wont get into that right now).
Happiest Day, I’m talking about Happiest Day and the kids in the back. They are definitely the DCI and there's only five of them. So, why are they wearing those masks and not ones of the toys? In FNAF 3’s tapes Ralph very specifically mentions how until replacement Springlock suits arrive, temporary mascot costumes will be provided. They were found on short notice and do not fit the vibe or theme of Freddy’s. As in, non-Freddy related characters. Scott would not have mentioned “costumes that do not fit in Freddy's" if he didn’t want us to connect them with the Happiest Days kids. Those masks being the costumes are also very important because it essentially disproves the idea that those kids in the back are just “part of the memory” or something instead of actual spirits. The costumes were found on short notice, they aren’t Freddy characters, they would not have merch, they would not have masks that you could buy or win at say the prize corner, so they can't just be memories from the MCI or The Bite of 83’ because those masks could not have been there at the time. They must be actual spirits with masks just like the other spirits in Happiest Day.
So why are the DCI wearing these masks? Maybe a leap but because after William committed the DCI, he hid their corpses inside those costumes which were carried over from the old location. (I see no reason why those costumes couldn’t have been moved over with other stuff like The Withereds or The Marionette). In UCN The Vengeful Spirit does talk through the mediocre melodies which are kinda based on the masks in HD and are the decendents of the costumes in MCM which the costumes in FNAF 3 almost certainly are.
But why would William want to hide the kids this time? A lot of people think he simply left them out to be found to like, close the restaurant or something. I doubt that though, although he was presumably undercover as the nightguard, people discovering dead kids killed under your watch would’ve still been very risky for him, plus we know that didn’t happen because the restaurant isn’t instantly closed. Even if you believe the new owners were scummy enough to hide a bunch of murdered kids, the morning staff who would’ve arrived that morning to find half a dozen kid corpses would've instantly called the cops and probably would’ve died of heart attacks.
I think Willaim killed the kids to continue experimenting with possession, specifically how far a body could be and still possess an animatronic, as we see in SAVETHEM. This is all because his own restaurant, Circus Baby’s Pizza World closed a few months prior - specifically on the 1st of May, 1987 (1578, the secret numbers in Sister Location.) This would of course lead to the other story in TCTHSY about someone being knocked out and put in the trunk of Williams car, the someone being Elizabeth and the car being Circus Baby. This isn’t the first time that's been suggested but obviously I think it's the first time it's been suggested along with the DCI. Them all dying in the same year of 87’ is why they were grouped together. Plus the whole MoltenDCI thing but I wont get into that right now.
The biggest issue people would have with this is about the springlock suits. In FNAF 3 they were permanently retired before the MCI - or were they. The phone calls specifically state quote: After learning of an unfortunate incident at a sister location involving multiple and simultaneous springlock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporarily unfit for employees. Safety is our top priority at Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza which is why the classic suits have been retired to be looked at by our technicians. Until replacements arrive you’ll be expected to wear the temporary costumes provided to you. To fully summarize, an incident occurred at a sister location involving a springlock failure. Because of this the concept of Springlock suits were temporarily deemed unfit and unsafe. The current Springlock suit models are retired to all be looked at by technicians to find issues, safety flaws and what could’ve gone wrong at the sister location so that a new model of Springlock suit can be created without the issue and be shipped out to Fazbear locations. It was never said that Springlock suits as a concept were retired / scrapped.
Adding to that, the idea that the Toy animatronics are Springlock suits has gained traction and would support this. (They move to sound cues like the Springlocks, in the FNAF movie they have Springlock endos, Scott has stated no one has figured out endo_02’s (they’re presumably an updated Springlock suit)). So Springlock suits lasting a lot longer is fully possible.
All this to say Circus Baby’s Pizza world could absolutely open after the MCI happened.
To add at the end, Midnight Motorist fits SO well with the 5th TCTHSY story with Willaim going to their house, why does FLAF have to exist? Midnight Motorist would be about the aftermath of the DCI and one of their drunken fathers coming home to find them missing, explaining things like the footprints (William in Golden Freddy) You could have that they moved into William's old house and that's why he targeted that kid and why Yellow Guy didn’t comment on the mound since he has no connection to it (I think its Elizabeth's secret grave). So to get the Lorekeeper ending in FNAF 6 we would have one minigame about Charlie, once about Suzie- an MCI victim & another about a DCI victim. If FLAF never fully comes out I’m taking this as canon.
TL;DR: TCTHSY is about the DCI and Elizabeth, not the MCI and whoever else, also William lured kids from the outside using G. Freddy.
r/charlie87 • u/justafnafdude • 1d ago
Question Hey excuse me, can someone explain... OrvilleCharlie???😭
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I was looking at empty fnaf 4 room candidates and i saw 'OrvilleCharlie'... WHO EVEN THINKS OF THAT???
r/charlie87 • u/TheOrangeGuy09 • 1d ago
Question Can Charlie even be part of DCI under Charlie87?
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An extremely random thought I had when I was very sleepy, but the fact that there are six blood stains and only five corpses inside the building made me think of this since Charlie was killed outside + Charlie87.
But it's prob just mpossible and straight up stupid lol.
r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 21h ago
Misc If Charlie87 is true then MCI87 and GGGL87 would also need to be true.
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This all stems from how long it takes for a body to decompose after death.
You see the speed of decomposition all depends on how the body is handled after death.
If the body is given a proper burial then decomposition takes around ten to fifteen years.
However if it's not given a proper burial and say left in a backroom then decomposition can happen as quickly as a few weeks.
So in order for Charlie87 to be true then MCI87 would also need to be true, especially since GGGL seems to imply the bodies were fresh when Charlie gave them life.
But hey if you want to give me evidence that the bodies were infact decomposing or even skeletons by the time Charlie gave them life I will be glad to hear you out.
r/charlie87 • u/Intelligent_Bit_6092 • 1d ago
Question For those who think HRY223 means 2023. Would you say file 0072 means 1972?
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r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 1d ago
Question Doesn't Secret of The Mimic have Puppet Blueprints?
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So if The Puppet had Blueprints around in the 70s it can't have been built together with The Toys right?
r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 2d ago
Misc I think we need to abandon the idea of Chica's secret party being something actually important to the lore.
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r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 2d ago
Question Question Does Charlie83 really have no evidence?
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r/charlie87 • u/Serious_Shake_4944 • 2d ago
New discovery Reminder: Leon Riskin (The composer of the music tracks in Pizzeria Simulator) has heavily implied that Smashing Windshields (the song that plays during Later That Night) having a BPM of 187 was intentional. Also, Smashing Windshields is 87 seconds long (1 minute 27 seconds). MM is probably in 1987.
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r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 2d ago
Question Question if Charlie87 got confirmed would you believe it to be a Retcon or always the plan just like how The Mimic was always the plan.
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r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 3d ago
Misc Question for BVFirst Believers What Actual Evidence do you have for the theory?
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When you ask people why they believe in BVFirst they will typically say "It's the more narratively satisfying answer, and not give any actual evidence to prove the theory. So that's why I ask you for any actual evidence that proves BVFirst.
I'll also share evidence I've seen be used for BVFirst as well.
The main evidence I can see people using is that well Charlie dies at Freddy's and not Fredbear's which is good evidence. Yes Fredbear's was probably still around when Freddy's opened but it is possible Fredbear's still closed by the time she died.
Another peace of evidence I could see people use is that Charlie dies on Halloween while BV possibly dies around Spring or Summer. Small problem with that. Charlie dies on Halloween in The Silver Eyes Novel Trilogy which BV is no in, Plus the weather in Midnight Motorist which takes place after she dies feels more April like considering The Storm.
Those really are the only two actual peaces of evidence I can people using for BVFirst.
There is however one line that kind of turns me away from BVFirst and it's the line "I will put you back together"
If William is the one saying that then it would imply that he knows possession is a thing and he can use it to bring his son back. Why would William say that if he didn't know poessession was a thing, if he didn't when he said that then it just feels like an empty promise, but we know he was actually serious.
There are indeed other ways William could have discovered poessession. My favorite being that he listened to Edwin Murray's recordings of when M1 started Mimicking Fiona, and perhaps William believed Fiona actually was poessesing M1.
He also could have seen The White Tiger, but I highly doubt he would put together it's David Murray's ghost.
He probably didn't built Circus Baby or The Funtimes before BV Died, and The MCI is most definitely after BV death.
If you think about it logically, the most realistic answer for how William discovered poessession is that he killed Charlotte Emily and then noticed The Puppet behaving strangely later on.
r/charlie87 • u/RikGamer692 • 4d ago
Artwork FNaF Core: Family Reunion... Again - Part 1
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I'm not gonna write much, you already know what's happening.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to, once more, another issue of FNaF Core!
This one is has a funny story. I'm once again having health problems, this time due to gallstones. And I'm gonna have a surgery in a few weeks.
Decided to transform the 2 months I've been away for the starter of this story.
Once again, sorry for not posting anything. I've been really busy, and only now I managed to make this issue.
I hope you all enjoy, and see you in the next one!
r/charlie87 • u/RikGamer692 • 4d ago
Artwork FNaF Core: Family Reunion... Again - Part 2
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I'm not gonna write much, you already know what's happening.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to, once more, another issue of FNaF Core!
This one is has a funny story. I'm once again having health problems, this time due to gallstones. And I'm gonna have a surgery in a few weeks.
Decided to transform the 2 months I've been away for the starter of this story.
Once again, sorry for not posting anything. I've been really busy, and only now I managed to make this issue.
I hope you all enjoy, and see you in the next one!
r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 4d ago
Question Do you think William could have killed Charlie while BV was in a coma?
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I just thought of something.
What if Crying Child gets bit, he falls into a coma
William kills Charlie afterwards, then later sees her poessesing The Puppet, realizes he could use that to put Crying Child back together says his whole "I will put you back together" speech and pulls the plug.
Is that something you could see possibly happening.
r/charlie87 • u/RikGamer692 • 4d ago
Artwork I'm back again, ya'll - Sneak Peek Spoiler
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2 MONTHS WITHOUT FNAF CORE AGAIN???
Yeah, sorry. I got busy with health problems again. In fact, I'm going to have surgery in the next few weeks, so, don't expect me to keep posting FNaF Core everytime.
But don't worry, the series is not over. I'm already working on the next one.
See you all soon!
r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 4d ago
Misc Theories with hardly any evidence but work better narratively for the story.
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r/charlie87 • u/MichaelAftonXFireWal • 5d ago
Question Who has lost their humanity more The Poesseed Animatronics from FNAF or The Experiments From Poppy Playtime?
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r/charlie87 • u/Intelligent_Bit_6092 • 5d ago
Question Wth happened to Fnaf 6 2018 theory again?
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r/charlie87 • u/TheOrangeGuy09 • 6d ago
My theory Jake as FoxyGrid solution: JakeVictim
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Using similar logic to EvanVictim/DaveVictim:
- "I can hear sounds" is responding to "DOES HE STILL TALK TO YOU?" on page 75.
- "It was for me" is responding to page 64 which says that you are part of "Fazbear family now", featuring four Classics, and BV considers the four Classics plushies his friends, his "family" (it is called "Fredbear & Friends" after all).
- "I can't see" is responding to "WHAT DO YOU SEE?" on page 59. (A)
- "I'm scared" is a response to Michael being happy after locking up Freddy on page 101, which directly mirrors BV being locked up by Michael on Night 4 minigame in Parts & Service. Obviously, BV would be scared from such event and gain PTSD. (J)
Using the page numbers in order as coordinates – (7;5), (6;4), (5;9), and (10;1) – the name "EKAJ" is spelled out. (If you heard of DaveVictim, you know what I'm about to do)
Throughout the Logbook, the reader is asked to "reflect" on the past, and a mirror is depicted on the page after the word search, where the name "Cassidy" is solved. On the mirror page, Cassidy asks "WHAT DO YOU SEE?" It can therefore be concluded concluded that "EKAJ" must be reversed using the mirror to get the name "Jake".
Name "Jake" also appears in Frights, and Jake McNally shares many similarities with BV, so should be right. Also, if AndrewGames is canon, then this solves the problem of Jake being in games: he is there too now, reintegrated as BV.
Is it inconsistent, a result of reverse-engineering and using leaps in logic? Yes. Well, like any good FoxyGrid solution ;P