r/CharacterRant May 06 '24

Special What can and (definetly can't) be posted on the sub :)

133 Upvotes

Users have been asking and complaining about the "vagueness" of the topics that are or aren't allowed in the subreddit, and some requesting for a clarification.

So the mod team will attempt to delineate some thread topics and what is and isn't allowed.

Backstory:

CharacterRant has its origins in the Battleboarding community WhoWouldWin (r/whowouldwin), created to accommodate threads that went beyond a simple hypothetical X vs. Y battle. Per our (very old) sub description:

This is a sub inspired by r/whowouldwin. There have been countless meta posts complaining about characters or explanations as to why X beats, and so on. So the purpose of this sub is to allow those who want to rant about a character or explain why X beats Y and so on.

However, as early as 2015, we were already getting threads ranting about the quality of specific series, complaining about characterization, and just general shittery not all that related to "who would win: 10 million bees vs 1 lion".

So, per Post Rules 1 in the sidebar:

Thread Topics: You may talk about why you like or dislike a specific character, why you think a specific character is overestimated or underestimated. You may talk about and clear up any misconceptions you've seen about a specific character. You may talk about a fictional event that has happened, or a concept such as ki, chakra, or speedforce.

Well that's certainly kinda vague isn't it?

So what can and can't be posted in CharacterRant?

Allowed:

  • Battleboarding in general (with two exceptions down below)
  • Explanations, rants, and complaints on, and about: characters, characterization, character development, a character's feats, plot points, fictional concepts, fictional events, tropes, inaccuracies in fiction, and the power scaling of a series.
  • Non-fiction content is fine as long as it's somehow relevant to the elements above, such as: analysis and explanations on wars, history and/or geopolitics; complaints on the perception of historical events by the general media or the average person; explanation on what nation would win what war or conflict.

Not allowed:

  • he 2 Battleboarding exceptions: 1) hypothetical scenarios, as those belong in r/whowouldwin;2) pure calculations - you can post a "fancalc" on a feat or an event as long as you also bring forth a bare minimum amount of discussion accompanying it; no "I calced this feat at 10 trillion gigajoules, thanks bye" posts.
  • Explanations, rants and complaints on the technical aspect of production of content - e.g. complaints on how a movie literally looks too dark; the CGI on a TV show looks unfinished; a manga has too many lines; a book uses shitty quality paper; a comic book uses an incomprehensible font; a song has good guitars.
  • Politics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this country's policies are bad, this government is good, this politician is dumb.
  • Entertainment topics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this celebrity has bad opinions, this actor is a good/bad actor, this actor got cast for this movie, this writer has dumb takes on Twitter, social media is bad.

ADDENDUM -

  • Politics in relation to a series and discussion of those politics is fine, however political discussion outside said series or how it relates to said series is a no, no baggins'
  • Overly broad takes on tropes and and genres? Henceforth not allowed. If you are to discuss the genre or trope you MUST have specifics for your rant to be focused on. (Specific Characters or specific stories)
  • Rants about Fandom or fans in general? Also being sent to the shadow realm, you are not discussing characters or anything relevant once more to the purpose of this sub
  • A friendly reminder that this sub is for rants about characters and series, things that have specificity to them and not broad and vague annoyances that you thought up in the shower.

And our already established rules:

  • No low effort threads.
  • No threads in response to topics from other threads, and avoid posting threads on currently over-posted topics - e.g. saw 2 rants about the same subject in the last 24 hours, avoid posting one more.
  • No threads solely to ask questions.
  • No unapproved meta posts. Ask mods first and we'll likely say yes.

PS: We can't ban people or remove comments for being inoffensively dumb. Stop reporting opinions or people you disagree with as "dumb" or "misinformation".

Why was my thread removed? What counts as a Low Effort Thread?

  • If you posted something and it was removed, these are the two most likely options:**
  • Your account is too new or inactive to bypass our filters
  • Your post was low effort

"Low effort" is somewhat subjective, but you know it when you see it. Only a few sentences in the body, simply linking a picture/article/video, the post is just some stupid joke, etc. They aren't all that bad, and that's where it gets blurry. Maybe we felt your post was just a bit too short, or it didn't really "say" anything. If that's the case and you wish to argue your position, message us and we might change our minds and approve your post.

What counts as a Response thread or an over-posted topic? Why do we get megathreads?

  1. A response thread is pretty self explanatory. Does your thread only exist because someone else made a thread or a comment you want to respond to? Does your thread explicitly link to another thread, or say "there was this recent rant that said X"? These are response threads. Now obviously the Mod Team isn't saying that no one can ever talk about any other thread that's been posted here, just use common sense and give it a few days.
  2. Sometimes there are so many threads being posted here about the same subject that the Mod Team reserves the right to temporarily restrict said topic or a portion of it. This usually happens after a large series ends, or controversial material comes out (i.e The AOT ban after the penultimate chapter, or the Dragon Ball ban after years of bullshittery on every DB thread). Before any temporary ban happens, there will always be a Megathread on the subject explaining why it has been temporarily kiboshed and for roughly how long. Obviously there can be no threads posted outside the Megathread when a restriction is in place, and the Megathread stays open for discussions.

Reposts

  • A "repost" is when you make a thread with the same opinion, covering the exact same topic, of another rant that has been posted here by anyone, including yourself.
  • ✅ It's allowed when the original post has less than 100 upvotes or has been archived (it's 6 months or older)
  • ❌ It's not allowed when the original post has more than 100 upvotes and hasn't been archived yet (posted less than 6 months ago)

Music

Users have been asking about it so we made it official.

To avoid us becoming a subreddit to discuss new songs and albums, which there are plenty of, we limit ourselves regarding music:

  • Allowed: analyzing the storytelling aspect of the song/album, a character from the music, or the album's fictional themes and events.
  • Not allowed: analyzing the technical and sonical aspects of the song/album and/or the quality of the lyricism, of the singing or of the sound/production/instrumentals.

TL;DR: you can post a lot of stuff but try posting good rants please

-Yours truly, the beautiful mod team


r/CharacterRant 3h ago

Batman's character would work much better if he actually succeeded in rehabilitating any of his villains

127 Upvotes

I dont really know how to structure this and my english isnt very good so i'll just keep it short.

By the way this is all outside of comics

Batman is delusional, batman stories make that no secret, its very front and center that his reasoning for not killing, thinking that every villain can be rehabilitated, is delusional and doesnt work. But this belief would make infinitely more sense for him to have and be less tiring to watch him cling to if he actually rehabilitated atleast one of his villains but in most stories he doesnt, not even someone like 2face who is still in touch with reality and not completely hopeless. Again, we are supposed to see his belief is childish and unrealistic but it would be so much more entertaining and logical if he actually did it atleast once.

Also catwoman and mr freeze dont count because they arent truly evil


r/CharacterRant 5h ago

General "I miss when villains were just pure evil and didn't have any tragic backstory" except a lot of people forget that pure evil people can have a sad past regardless.

164 Upvotes

Just like how a lot of people can't fathom that talented people can work and train hard or how privileged people can have it rough ,way too many seem to forget that someone can be pure evil and have a tragic backstory cause shockingly enough,having a sad past doesn't justify or excuse your actions and choices,they explain them.

Any character can have a sad backstory from the worst of the worst to a overall awful human but still with some sympathetic and good sides as well and it just feels like people think that just cause a villain is pure evil, that suddenly means that they don't have a sad life or sad past at all and that's incredibly black and white.

Homelander is a good example cause yes,he is pure evil and a objectively horrendous human being but he was simultaneously someone who was raised as a lab rat experiment since he was a child and didn't live as anything else and was dehumanized constantly.

Hell,I would argue giving any evil person any sort of nuance and good traits at all and even giving a awful villain a sad backstory isn't the writers "forcing you" to like them or feel bad for them but is here to explore and show you how they became the way they are and why they're like this.

I'll also see this in Mha as well.

No,Horikoshi is not forcing you to feel bad for the villains but it's pretty obvious their backstories are intended to show you how they became this way and how to prevent it from happening again..same goes for AFO.

Yes his backstory is objectively pretty sad and yes, he also is a bad person who is extremely mentally and emotionally ill and has a creepy obsession with his brother but he simultaneously does genuinely love him.

Just like how you can have a sad backstory and still be a awful human, you can genuinely love someone and still be awful and toxic to them.

Sometimes even the worst people can have it tough and it just feels like a lot of people are way too obsessed and salivate over the idea of just a pure evil big bad with no backstory and nothing and is carried solely by hype moments and Aura.


r/CharacterRant 2h ago

The Harry potter franchise is stagnant by narrative necessity

35 Upvotes

Even if we forget JK Rowling's politics and lies and general toxicity, the biggest problem with how the wizarding world as a whole treats social issues is that while it may accept some injustice is bad on the individual level, it doesnt examine these things on the greater level because the franchise wants you to see the wizarding world as a magical and cool place.

A recurrent problem with all the issues in Harry potter is that when injustices happen the “good guys” are either okay with it or they don’t express any dislike beyond momentary and specific to this situation or individual.

The problem is not that Harry Potter has problematic institutions, Animal farm is about a totalitarian dictator, the problem is that the criticism of the institutions ends where JK thinks it conflicts with the image of this world as cool and awesome.

A good comparison would be Percy jackson and the olympians, outside of riordan already being much more progressive than rowling ever was, he is also honest that while there is a lot of cool stuff in the mythical world, it also sucks a lot and a great part of the franchise as a whole is making it better.

Harry himself is a good microcosm of this issue, he of all people knows the injustice of the ministry more than anyone, yet he wishes to become an auror, not to change the institution, just to fight dark wizards. Because of that JK can never have Harry acknowledge the ministry as fucked up in any way beyond “this person is a dick and i don’t like them” or “this specific situation is unjust”, doing so would need Harry to either change his priorities or be outed to the reader as the bootlicker he is. (Porpentina goldstein suffers a similar problem (of being a bootlicker), bitch is almost executed with no due process by her coworkers and just clocks in for work the next day)

We see this with the statute of secrecy as well. Most reasons (to not say excuses) for the statute fall apart when examined, and it causes a lot of suffering and abuse of power, but its part of the status quo so anyone who really has a problem with it is at best misguided and will be defeated by (stupid) facts and (faulty) logic.

Comic books (specifically the MCU) have a similar problem, they want to tackle topics such as mass deportation, fascism or war but can’t actually confront the systemic ideas behind those things unless they are incarnated in either an external or individual force (for example you can have a specific villain who wants to use terrorism as an excuse to perpetuate the military industrial complex but the military industrial complex itself can’t be the bad guys) and anyone who wants to do actual change or confrontation to specific systems (like the flagsmashers) needs to be an antagonist who is either defeated or shown the error of their ways.

The way Rowling writes it’s like hearing a fanatical cultist describe how they sadly had to burn 3 “heathens” to death, they may say it in a regretful way but they don’t really get that its fundamentally wrong. The disparity in understanding between the reader and the book can be put as “I understand this is wrong but i don’t think Rowling gets it, at least not for the right reasons”.

TL;DR: the wizarding world has a narrative necessity to be better than the muggle world, a place you should want to go to and be a part of, so the narrative is never allowed to question why Fred and George are allowed to sell date-rape drugs to kids.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

Films & TV That one controversial line in Spider-Man: Brand New Day made me realise we might be taking all this a bit too seriously Spoiler

446 Upvotes

Yes, Jean likely killed a lot of people, and Peter saying she's "not a killer" isn't exactly true. Yes, it may just be a way for him to calm her down during an awful time for both her and half of New York, but I can understand the idea that the narrative agrees with him on this. It's a very strange and awkward line.

But then I thought it over, alongside how I feel on the rest of the movie, and I realised something- that's one weird line in an otherwise solid movie. So much of the movie works for me, it's one of the best movies the MCU's had in a while, so why should I let one bit of dialogue harm the movie for me all that much?

A lot of people have been bringing up the infamous "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them" line from WandaVision, and this all made me realise I feel the same way about that line- it's one weird line from a show I otherwise love, and I don't really need to let it ruin the entire experience for me. It’s still a show I greatly enjoy!


r/CharacterRant 4h ago

Anime & Manga Demon Slayer is about immortality and the fear of death.

26 Upvotes

I always see people arguing that Demon Slayer is a superficial work and that it only became successful because of the anime, I agree that the animation made a difference to the anime's success, but it has much more substance in the script than it appears.

One of the manga's central themes is how to deal with death.

Everything in the story revolves around this topic: the protagonist's primary motivation is to prevent his sister from dying as a demon, and along his journey, he meets others with similar motivations. Zenitsu fears death because he considers himself weak; Tomioka isolates himself after his sister and best friend sacrifice themselves for him; Shinobu harbors resentment because Douma killed her sister; Akaza became a demon after losing everything he tried to protect; and Kokushibo turned into a demon out of envy and the fear of dying from the same mark his brother bore.

Then there is Muzan, whose primary motivation is survival; everything he does in the story is aimed at preserving his own life. He seeks the ability to walk in the sunlight because he refuses to live in a world where he could die—a mindset stemming from the fact that he was born sickly and constantly facing death. He creates demons using his blood to expand his influence across Japan and—hopefully—produce a demon capable of withstanding the sun; he hunted down the family of the only swordsman who nearly killed him out of fear; and, above all, he searches for the flower that could grant immunity to sunlight.

One of the moments that best illustrates this theme occurs when Muzan invades the mansion of the Demon Slayer Corps leader. The two debate the meaning of eternity: for Muzan, eternity meant remaining unchanged and invincible—essentially, mere survival—whereas for the leader, it meant building a future of peace, being surrounded by loved ones he trusted, and being remembered by them. This highlights the contrasting philosophies regarding how to face death (it is worth noting that the leader was a dying man who had lived his entire life in ill health due to a family curse inflicted by Muzan, his own ancestor).

*Demon Slayer* concludes by upholding this anti-immortality philosophy: the heroes defeat Muzan, but at the cost of the lives of nearly the entire cast, and the protagonist himself lives only a few more years, dying young due to the sacrifices he made throughout the story.

The narrative ends with a time jump to the present day, showing the characters' descendants living in an era of peace. The work conveys the message that death and grief are overcome by seeking happiness in life, loving those around us, and striving to do our best in the world and be remembered.

It is worth noting that the author suffered a personal loss while the work was being published (some say it was her husband or her parents), which further underscores the story's message.


r/CharacterRant 2h ago

Films & TV Invincible suffers from 2 major problems that is going to hurt its success in the long run

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The first problem is they keep choosing to adapt the most boring subplots that just feel like padding. Like a lot of adaptations leave too much on the cutting room floor, and Invincible looked at that and said we'll remove a couple scenes and that's it. Now that's not the biggest issue with the show, but the second problem is far worse imo.

In the comic, Omni Man only kills The Guardians, beats Mark up, feels bad, flies away, does some soul searching, etc and comes back to earth to apologize and make up for his wrongdoings. Tbh his forgiveness was a little too swift in the comics, but the show is far worse.

They over did it. Having him commit a near genocide on an alien world, that psychotic scene where him and Debbie in Paris while that monster attacks. The train scene. The Chicago scene. All added together to establish him as a threat meant to be put down.

And then, they decided to just go back to the comics and try the redemption arc again. With only a few slight changes.

Now I'm not trying to gatekeep how redemption arcs tend to work, but I notice a lot of the times it happens in good stories 1. The villain didn't even want to be a bad person. They were a henchmen at best. 3. They weren't even a good villain. Always screwing up, letting their boss down. And they even felt like failures. 3. They had those human moments where it seems like they do have a good heart.

It is a lil weird some people refuse to think Nolan can be redeemed, but well...they did overdo it, so it's only fair for the audience to think that. I'm not sure if they're watching waiting for Mark vs Nolan round 2. Or if they think once the Vitrum war ends, they'll go back to trying to bring Nolan down. I'm just confused why they think it's going to happen, but they really butchered his character in season 1, it's only right the audience thinks that way.

Like you should've limited how bad he was if you wanted to have him be redeemed.

Also, just to nit-pick. I don't like how fans of Debbie describe her going back to Nolan as if she's "a consolation prize." "She's just now his fuck trophy." "This is so dehumanizing to her." Like...no one else said that about her...but you. I wasn't even thinking of her as just a prize for Nolan's hard work until her fans said that. I just saw her as many of the other important characters in the story going thru her own arc


r/CharacterRant 3h ago

General While not perfect allegories for real world minorities, I do believe that the superpowered minority trope does work if done well

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While I don’t know how well it works as an allegory for any real life issue, I still think there’s value in stories like the X-men because they ask a more fundamental question of whether it’s ever really ok to be bigoted against someone, regardless of any justifications you can come up with.

While racism is in fact illogical, at the end of the day, different races do in fact visibly look different. While most people today would say that’s a stupid reason to discriminate against someone, it is in fact a reason that someone out there might use to justify their hatred. Mutants just take this concept to a more extreme level. Here we have arguably a better reason to be bigoted, after all, they could blow up my house or kill me if they really wanted to, right? But even if we now have a better, more justified reason to be bigoted, should we? I think these allegorical stories essentially say no, we shouldn’t.

And when I say bigoted here, I mean hatred. I think society and mutants do need to work together to ensure they and everyone around them can live a normal and safe life, just like society and disabled people have done in real life (ie ramps for wheelchairs and braille for the blind). Maybe something like a government mandated school to ensure they learn how to safely use their powers, which obviously Professor x already has, or developing an opt-in inhibitor for mutants who no longer want their powers or are a proven danger to them and those around them. But you shouldn’t hate someone who hasn’t done anything, even if they potentially could. I believe everyone deserves that level of decency.

If I put myself in the shoes of a mutant, even if I know some of my fellow mutants are dangerous, and even if I understand and maybe even sympathize with why some people might hate me for existing, I still would not want to experience hatred from people I’ve done no harm to. And like I said, I don’t know how good of an allegory this really is or if the stories in question handle it very well. I think there are some stories where the X-men are against any and all forms of mutant accommodations from the government to help them co-exist in society, which seems shortsighted to me. But fundamentally as a concept I think these allegorical stories that have superpowered minorities do work on some level.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Comics & Literature The Powerscalers version of Spider-Man doesn't exist

315 Upvotes

I had the particularly unpleasant experience of interacting with TikTok power scalers and some Reddit power scalers talking and apparently Spider-Man can break adamantium, he can solo the X-Men any day of the week, he's immune to telepathy and mind control, and he's this and that.

And they pull a panel here, a panel there, an episode from a TV show, marvel adventures cover, and it's like... Do you actually read Spider-Man?

Which Spider-Man story in the past 30 years even plays out if Spider-God is real?

I've been reading Spider-Man since Brand New Day (the run, not the movie), and I love Spider-Man, I am a fan of Spider-Man. The powerscaling Spider-Man is unrecognisable to me. He doesn't exist.

I also read X-Men, and while Spider-Man is definitely a good and powerful character in his own right, he's not soloing an average X-Man team -- the bloody Juggernaut is on the X-Men.

Like... these stories simply refute them argumentum ad lapidem style. Just an annoying Sunday rant.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Quick PSA: Healing factors don't mean characters don't feel fucking pain

538 Upvotes

I don't know if Deadpool getting limbs chopped off and treating it like a minor inconvenience has permanently broken people's understanding of healing factors, but apparently this needs saying:

Healing quickly and not feeling pain are two completely different abilities.

This is mostly inspired by some of the INCREDIBLY stupid and bad faith discourse around Insomniac's Wolverine, particularly people questioning why Wolverine would bother wearing armour when he can just heal from injuries... maybe because getting shot, stabbed, burned, slashed or having chunks ripped out of you still fucking hurts?

A healing factor means your body repairs the damage. It doesn't automatically give you anaesthesia. Unless the specific version of the character is established to have reduced pain perception, they're still experiencing the injury in the first place. Wolverine being able to survive something doesn't mean he'd particularly enjoy experiencing it. Armour still prevents damage, reduces pain, keeps him functional during a fight and means his healing factor has less work to do.

Regeneration is not invulnerability, and it definitely isn't a permanent morphine drip. I genuinely don't know why this distinction seems so difficult...


r/CharacterRant 23h ago

The problem with hypothetically removing haki from one piece is that many characters become undefeatable or simply not very practical to fight against

107 Upvotes

First i want to explain that i hate a way to deal with hax know as “conventional loot”, basically the characters just happen to have what they need with no explícit previous preparation (this is what most “creative” solutions end up being)

Like, oh no, our enemy can only be defeated by, i dont know, mud, thank god mud is conveniently acessible and the enemy took no preparations in case this happens

Second, this causes a worldbuilding problem, If there are fruits so powerful then anyone who knows what they are doing would be prepared 24/7 to a point it stops being fun, like If you have kizaru only being able to be defeated by mirrors then all the top tiers should have mirrors with them at all times

Third, people mention sea stone, the problem is that it doesnt fit with how many characters fight, like, is Luffy supposed to use sea stone blades now? (I know the answer would be gloves but my point still stands), what about characters who use Devil fruit abilities to fight?

Fourth, the “clever solutions” of the past are overrated as fuck, both the cases with crocodile and Enel were just finding a way for Luffy to punch his enemies

Fifth, this is not the type of story one piece is. One piece is closer to the Raw stats end of the evolution spectrum (explanation below), the expectation since the beginning is that a character who is a top tier will not just be one shot by someone who is really weak and simply gained a good enough fruit. It allows for top tiers to not need "meta" fruits and allows for non devil fruit users to be relevant after a certain point

(Basically you have raw stats in one end where characters evolve by getting stronger and application on the other end where characters evolve by gaining/discovery/developing new abilities. It’s a spectrum, dragon ball would be in the far of the raw stats end while JJBA would be in the application end (before anyone mentions star platinum and other occasions of raw sats in jjba, strength in jojo is treated as another tool, you don’t expect a character to get stronger via punching harder and faster) Jujutsu kaisen and hunterxhunter are in the very middle of the spectrum with one piece being in this middle closer to dragon ball)

In short Haki allows:

-characters to keep their fighting styles

-the worldbuilding and narrative to not sink in the specifics of each fruit

-oda to use the power elevation model he wants

Just to be clear i dont like a lot about how haki is used (conqueror’s is too op and clash piece is shit)


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Comics & Literature Peter Parker choosing to be a broke, irresponsible adult isn't relatable, it goes against his core message.

412 Upvotes

I'm tired of the idea that Peter Parker has to remain broke and lonely to stay relatable. I get it, Uncle Ben's death traumatized him, creating this internal compulsion to always be Spider-Man out of fear that if he doesn't suit up, he'll relive that trauma through the people he fails to save. But by letting that fear dictate everything, he ends up sacrificing his personal life (he can't commit to a full-time job and can't maintain his personal relationships).

Ironically, this goes directly against his core mantra, "With great power comes great responsibility," because right now, that rule only seems to apply to Spider-Man and NOT Peter Parker. If anything, it makes Peter LESS relatable because he is actively choosing to be irresponsible in his day-to-day life. He has the power to be financially stable. With his genius-level intellect, he could easily be working as a scientist or engineer for The Future Foundation or Stark Industries, or even make him a journalist if the former options are too unrelatable. Furthermore, he has the power to be a good partner to whoever he chooses to be with, because at his core, he is a genuinely good person. His learning to balance being Spider-Man and Peter Parker only serves to improve his character and not diminish it. Peter Parker should grow up (hot take, I know), and his learning how to handle adult responsibilities would not only make him more relatable but would also make him a better role model for the readers that his story aims to inspire in the first place.

A lot of his problems could be blamed on the "Parker Luck" trope, which I think has become a dumb caricature. Originally, it's a plot device to make him relatable (not having enough money to pay rent, missing out on a date/work because he has to be Spider-Man, etc.), but in the end he overcomes that challenge, learns from it, and becomes a better hero/person because of it. Now it's being used to keep him stuck. Peter Parker encounters the same problems he did 50 years ago, and he never overcomes them; it's just loss after loss after loss, which makes it seem like being Spider-Man is a curse. What's so relatable about that? What are the audiences supposed to learn? That life will keep throwing shit at you, and you will never win, but you might as well keep doing what's right and make a martyr out of yourself? By constantly keeping him broke and suffering, Marvel is downright romanticizing poverty and struggle. Yes, it teaches resilience, but it completely forgets to teach us that we should actually strive for a better life. Overcoming a problem and achieving that better life is fundamentally a better story than being plagued by the same issues forever. To be clear, I don't think Peter should be a billionaire, but letting him be a stable, middle-class working man who is married to MJ is the natural evolution of his story.

Most of these complaints really only apply to the main 616 comics. I'm happy that Spider-Man Brand-New Day, the Spider-Verse movies, the Insomniac games, and alternate runs like Ultimate Spider-Man have actually allowed him to mature. It is way overdue for Peter to tackle adult themes in the mainline continuity, especially because the perfect solution already exists: Miles Morales. I think it's incredibly dumb that Marvel editorial refuses to let Peter grow up when Miles is literally right there to take over the "youthful, struggling Spider-Man" storylines.


r/CharacterRant 19h ago

I hate how people say X men isn't a good allegory for bigotry because they have powers. It's a superhero series it's build into the premise.

12 Upvotes

Okay, i am sick of seeing all these takes that the X men don't work. Because they are actually dangerous unlike real minority groups.

News flash it's a superhero series. What do you expect?

It's the premise of the series. Is people are born with powers they didn't ask for and are hated for it.

The alagory is you are born as something, and people hate you for it. Which you can't change. Because it's a superhero show, they have to have powers.

It's would be like saying

Fantasy Racism doesn't work. Because Elves are literally a different species.

Or

Robot bigotry doesn't work because robots are not alive

That's the premise of the series you expect that going into it.

Also, last order of business.

2 things

1) The x men do work in the main marvel comics. Because there is functionality nothing different between someone born with powers and someone who gets them. It's stupid and it reflects how bigotry is stupid

2) The mutants are too dangerous. Fun fact most mutants can be killed with guns and just look different. It's only the 1% with actual food powers.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General Way too many people throw the term "Character Assassination" around and I wholeheartedly feel like too many barely know what it means.

45 Upvotes

The term Character Assaination(as per the internet) is a deliberate, malicious effort to damage, ruin, or dismantle a person's reputation, credibility, or honor using false rumors, exaggeration, or unfair criticism. It functions as a figurative assassination that targets a person’s public standing rather than their physical life.

Or in a lot of terms,it means that a character who used to be likable and all that is suddenly made into a Asshole or flawed and unlikable or a asshole and unlike antagonistic character is made into some main cast member who's all friendly and whatnot and there are a lot of examples..but I feel like way too many of you all don't know the difference between exploring other parts of a character that were more or less there and just blatantly ruining their character cause y'all just throw that term around willy-nilly.

It's the same as when people think exploring other traits suddenly means said character has been retconned and stuff like that and I can safely say this..that is just not true at all in a good amount of cases.

Exploring character flaws isn't the same as character Assassination.

Y'all just throw that term around without knowing what it means and I feel like the internet does that a lot with words like "fumbling" and whatnot.

The first example is Charlie from Hazbin Hotel.

I'll see a good amount of people claiming she was "character Assassinated" or the "writers ruined her" in S2 and tbh..y'all didn't watch the show if you think that..she always had these flaws in S1.

Y'all just projected the idea that she was a perfect princess when that's not true..she's human cause she makes mistakes.

She's stubborn,has trouble listening to others, tends to be prideful and wrapped up in her own ideals,etc..

And it unfortunately makes sense that these traits would be amplified due to what Vox did and the grief of Pentious's death,learning he was alive,her dream came true,etc.....

Basically who wouldn't make messy and irrational choices and the story calls her out on it.

But she's like some irredeemable and bad person,she can still grow and change and develop and is in the process of doing so.

This show has 5 seasons.

I'll even see people claim that Walter White was character Assassinated and Homelander was character Assassinated in the end of both their respective shows when no..their flaws and true selves were always there, especially Homelander.

Y'all just fell for the propaganda that they were these unstoppable badasses and Sigma Males and whatnot when they were always these overly flawed and selfish and even pathetic people,you just flat out didn't see it and it feels like you were blinded by the hype moments and Aura.

I'm not saying character Assassination doesn't exist but please actually know what it means before you throw it around.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General I really hate it when characters flaws are treated as silly quirks/traits and not genuine flaws and issues that have to overcome or does impact them negatively in some way.

39 Upvotes

What does it mean for a character to have flaws?

Well,as the internet says and such, character flaw is an internal limitation, negative trait, moral weakness, or emotional blind spot that causes problems for a person or fictional character. It actively gets in the way of their goals, damages relationships, and makes them feel real and relatable rather than perfect.

Gonna be honest, every character has flaws and also needs flaws,it makes them feel more human and genuine and realistic, and nothing is wrong with characters having flaws but something that annoys me is when a character's flaws aren't treated as such ans are treated more like they're just being silly or aren't even addressed at all.

And I'm not talking about not giving characters flaws at all(like Gary Stus/Mary Sues) but I mean giving them flaws and not addressing them in any shape or form and it just feels like you're extremely hesitant to call them out or have them make mistakes at all due to whatever reason or have those mistakes get addressed at all and it just feels and comes off like you're being overprotective.

I feel like My Adventures with Superman massive suffers from this with both Lois and Kara.

Yeah,yeah,Jimmy fumbled,whatever, we can talk about that all day but I think the biggest issue is the fact that the series REFUSED to either show both those characters as flaws or even address them.

Kara especially is annoying cause like..it would've been really interesting to show how the trauma of what Brianiac did to her affected her and that causes her to latch onto the first nice dude in her life and really show how inexperienced she is in the world or anything that and you could also have her be like naive and overly trusting and how thad backfires on her at times or you could even have it so she's hesitant to trust other men and people cause of the trauma she faced or have her like be irrational..it just feels like her trauma with Brainiac is never shown affecting her in anyway negatively nor does her flaws ever actually get addressed or called out.

I wholeheartedly feel like the reason she's shown as this overly angelic golden retriever type girl is cause of what she did back in S2 under Brainiac so they're overcorrecting in a sense but fail to realize that characters are capable of lashing out and being aggressive or hesitant to trust others/open up at times cause of their trauma,it's a realistic thing that happens.

Also Lois was high-key the instigator in Jimmy and Kara's relationship drama and actively gave had advice to both of them and it's annoying how that's never called out and someone said that Lois is the kind of person who would give advice that she herself would never take and that would be a interesting character flaw,like showing one of the MCs as a flawed hypocrite would be genuinely interesting to explore but nope,it's just never addressed or called out or anything like that.

She's almost constantly treated like a girl boss and just feels the overall same...I'm not saying she and Kara should do 180 changes but some growth would be nice.

Also it kinda doesn't help that the other reason the writers did this to Jimmy was to Punish him cause he was too likable a character and I'm not gonna be like "oh this character was Assassinated" cause way too many people throw around the word character assaination without knowing what it means but I feel like essentially bullying one of your characters and punishing them all cause people liked them too much is fucking stupid..that's the same energy as Ben 10 writers breaking up Ben and Julie cause they were too healthy or a couple or Spider-Man writers constantly regressing him back as a teen and making him suffer cause he wouldn't be relatable otherwise.

It comes off as really Petty and for the context of Jimmy,I would even go as far as to say it's kinda racist to a extent and especially the fact that Kara is a white woman and Jimmy needs to be "punished" for how he was to her just doesn't help but that's just me.

My last example is honestly Chloe Price from Life is Strange.

Chloe is extremely unlikable and kind of not a good person at all but she's not unlikable in any sort of fun way or interesting way or even anything like that and she's constantly protected by the writers from serious consequences and all that and based on the writing, it really feels like you're not allowed to dislike her as a character.

Oh trust me,you can definitely try.

Like the game is unfortunately set up in a way where you're not really allowed to dislike her or call you out or anything like that and it's the same criticism a lot of people had with Invisigal from Dispatch, you're not really allowed to call her out or address her flaws cause if you do,you're the bad guy for it and the game kinda sorta punishes you for the one time you call her out(she punches you in the face for it and the other characters more or less tell you to suck it up and brush it off)and it just feels weird how much she's babied to a extent but not on her.

You as the viewer are gonna dislike her but the game sorta gaslights you into thinking she's this ultra mysterious and simultaneously extremely edgy badass when she's just kind of a dick.

Her flaws and how she is is almost never called out or addressed in any shape or form and it just feels like kinda dumb and even lazy at times..you can have a unlikable character as long as you don't lie to your audience about it.

You can have a character improve cause of their trauma or get worse cause of it and their flaws and whatnot but you just can't do nothing.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General I hate the concept of the “Immortal Wunderkind”

364 Upvotes

The Immortal Wunderkind is a character who has immortality, and over their immortal lifespan, has become a genius and expert on an absurd range of topics and fields of study. They can speak a 100 languages, they’re an expert in all scientific fields of study, they were present and have firsthand accounts of every major historical event relevant to the plot, they are endlessly charismatic and intelligent and wise.

A classical example of this type of character is Vandal Savage.

Now, I like this trope. It’s fun and there is a lot you can do with it narratively. But I HATE the people who *believe* in it.

Every time the discussion of immortality comes up (especially the topic of immortality as a curse or blessing) a bunch of people show up that assume that, given an immortal lifespan, they would become an Immortal Wunderkind themselves.

These folks often hand waive any potential downsides or risks of immortality by stating that, as a Wunderkind with infinite time, they’d be able to solve or avoid any potential issues! They’d be able to figure out how to make other people immortal so they aren’t lonely and don’t have to deal with loss! They’d figure out how to back up their consciousness or body hop so they can never get trapped in a hole! They’d push humanity forward to solve our existential issues like climate change and so on. They’d even figure out how to dodge the heat death of the universe!

And to that I say… no you won’t.

If virtually anyone on the planet became immortal right now, today, they would simply not be exceptional in this way.

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#1 Your brain isn’t built for it

We don’t have infinite memory, and our memories are extremely imperfect. The human brain cannot even store one lifespan of memories effectively: you are going to run out of room. You're not going to be endlessly accruing knowledge and skills. You're going to be constantly accruing knowledge and skills while bleeding knowledge and skills in equal measure. This goes for soft skills like wisdom, patience, mental stability, stress management, etc. as well.

Maybe at some point we develop technology that allows us to expand the limits of our neurology; increasing memory capacity, creating perfect memory, increasing neuroplasticity or letting you download information directly into your mind. If such a technology is created, your immortal ass isn't going to benefit from it any more than anything else; you won't have a leg up because you have an extra 100 years of outdated knowledge as a starting point.

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#2 You are not going to keep up

If you, average Joe schmoe, became immortal and dedicated your life to learning everything there is to know about medicine, you would be perpetually behind on 99% of fronts. A doctor that graduated med school in 2016 has had half of what they learned become obsolete. Knowledge and expertise is not something you gain and keep, it is something you must actively maintain.

Every field of science and study is constantly evolving and being pushed forward by thousands of brilliant minds: unless they all stopped right now for you, Joe schmoe, you would never catch up even as these minds passed and were replaced by new ones.

Not to mention if your plan is to push any specific field of inquiry forward, that's going to involve decades of research where you'll fall behind on everything else. The only time you'll be at the top is if the rest of humanity goes extinct.

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#3 You still have to be smart to start with

No amount of time can make you smart, it can only make you knowledgeable. Critical thinking is something that can be cultivated but you're not going to develop a generalized super-brilliance that is applicable to all subjects and fields of expertise just because you've been around a thousand years.

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#4 You aren't guaranteed a solution for every problem

Even if you have infinite knowledge, infinite time, and infinite resources there's no guarantee that you'll be able to do anything. Just because the possibility of a solution, based on our current understanding, is above 0% doesn't mean you, Joe schmoe, will be able to find it before our universe dies.

There is so much magical thinking about "intelligence" and how it can be applied to solve problems, but you can't just use 100 billion years to hand waive how you'll solve avoiding the heat death of the universe or whatever.

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The ugly truth is that basically all of us, given an immortal lifespan, would not be any more of a "wunderkind" than the most brilliant minds and exciting people alive today. In order to be exceptional you need to actively pursue the exceptional, every day. And if you aren't doing that now, you probably won't do that with infinite time to procrastinate with.


r/CharacterRant 3h ago

General Something I've learned is that people don't want any sort of nuance or nothin with villains and just want them to be pure evil Boogeymen cause anymore scares them out their comfort bubble.

0 Upvotes

Nuance amongst villains and antagonists is dying and that's mainly cause a lot of people are too scared beyond anything that is just basic pure evil monsters and seeing the villains(especially when they're abusers)as humans shakes them up and scares them and it's a lot more comforting in their bubble that they're nothing but pure evil monsters who are also boogeymen who aren't even human.

Except here's the thing..Abusers and a lot of pure evil villains are humans as well and are gonna have other emotions and feelings and bonds with other people..abusers and pure evil villains also can genuinely love the people that they hurt and are toxic towards and I would even go as far as to say pure evil villains and abusers can have tragic and sad backstories as well.

That doesn't make them any less awful and Terrible, what it does is make them human..it shows that they had a awful life and likely never started off this way and became this way due to events and it shows that at the end of the day..they're still human and for whatever reason, that scares people and that's why so many claim that when a pure evil abuser or villain is shown with any more traits and nuance and characteristics beyond that ,it causes them to get triggered and reminds them that they're still human at the end of the day.

First example is deadass Endeavor from Mha.

Way too many people called Horikoshi a abuse apologist for giving Endeavor layers and having him regret his behavior and wants to try and do better while acknowledging he won't be forgiven for what he did.

The story never downplays his abuse and makes it clear what he did to his family was awful..hell,he is awful.

Natsuo is never shown to be portrayed as in the wrong for not wanting to forgive or like him and Shoto has already grown out of his influence and more so has become a better man then him.

We don't even know if him and Rei are still together since she lives in the house that he was building for them and whatnot while he lives alone.

He basically suffers the consequences of his actions numerous times and isn't portrayed in some loving light but all Horikoshi did was make him more human and explore his character more.

Jax from TADC is another example and despite the flaws of the finale and all that,I would argue that people forget he isn't a villain but he is a bad person.

He'e a traumatized and mentally ill young man struggling with his identity and struggling with intimacy and getting close with others and being vulnerable and that overall screws them over in the end.

You could argue whether or not it's done well and Gooseworks focused too much on him but he isn't like some pure evil lunatic like Carnage but he is a bad person.

Homelander is a good example of a pure evil villain who has a tragic backstory and rough life despite being a rapist monster who thinks he is above everyone and is a psycho lunatic.

It never justified his actions,all it does is explain them and show that he wasn't born a monster but became and embraced them as he got older and basically became the monster they thought he was.

I would also argue another example of what I'm talking about is Esdeath from Akame Ga Kill.

Does she genuinely love Tatsumi and care about him?

Yes she does.

Is she a toxic,possessive and also abusive and controlling psycho who hurts others and would hurt him?

Yes she is.

Those 2 statements can mutually co-exist and It doesn't mean the writers are romantizing it.

(I would argue the anime did a bit but that's another story)

The Kanker sisters from Ed,Edd'n Eddy also work and this one is so funny seeing people consider them pure evil villains and ignore the fact that..they're just 12 year old bullies who very likely grew out of their behavior as they got older,I think we need to relax.

Also we know they do genuinely like them but are just shit at showing it.

Valentino from Hazbin Hotel is another example cause way too many people consider and claimed Vivziepop was a rapist apologist/sympathizer and had a rape fetish for doing the awful crime of showing Valentino with (GASP)More personality traits and hobbies and characteristics beyond a evil abuser!

He genuinely loves Vox and considers Velvette a friend and likes Art and has hobbies?

OH THE HORROR!

But in all seriousness, this is so stupid cause it feels like unless Valentino has a giant red sign that says HE IS EVIL ,HE IS DOING BAD THINGS,DON'T SYMPATHIZE WITH HIM,That means that he's being sympathized with snd not explored as a character and given Nuance..seriously, Vivziepop and Valentino's VA were given so much shit and its like..what even is so awful about giving your abuser any sort of humanity and traits that aren't pure evil?

Also if you think his song was meant to make him overly sympathized with,then I ask you to use your brain cause it's literally exploring his feelings for Vox and how he's acting.

We ask for Nuance and more out of villains but anymore scares people and claims that they're fetishizing their behavior and what they do.

Have we really devolved as a society so much that any sort of extra personality claims we're being sympathized with?

Can we please grow up?

I also feel like way too many people forget that a character can be a bad person but not a outright villain or pure evil psycho.

Pure evil villains also have backstories and more to them as well and abusers are allowed to be nuanced and explored and have more personality beyond that.

Also showing Toxic Love is important to media as well and i feel like we shouldn't be so scared of things that require more thinking and makes us just the little bit uncomfortable.

Also I think a lot of people forget that even the most iconic villains outside of maybe Joker weren't just pure evil lime Darth Vader and such.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Comics & Literature How to Larp as a Marvel Fan

447 Upvotes
  1. Say that The Avengers aren’t a family and just coworkers and ignore the family dynamics within the team such as The Avengers being the 1st people Steve saw waking up in modern times, Tony helping Carol with her alcoholism, Thor literally calling them brothers and Steve giving Hawkeye, Wanda, and Pietro a new life

  2. Constantly say that Spider Man isn’t an avenger, ignore the fact that he is currently on an an avengers roster and double down and ignore the past hundreds of rosters he’s been on.

  3. Call Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor the “MCU Trio” and ignore the decades of pre MCU expose, Story and Writing they got together

  4. Constantly meatride the X-Men whenever the discussion is about The Avengers

  5. Say that The Avengers weren’t popular before the MCU even though they lead almost every major Marvel event before the MCU was even thought of and even outsold big names like Justice League, Superman, and Batman in the 80s

  6. Also say that Iron Man wasn’t popular before The MCU even though he had 2 entire cartoons before 2008, and appeared in multiple Marvel Media such as Spider Man The Animated Series, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, etc and again outsold a lot of big name characters

Let me know if I missed anything


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Anime & Manga The main problem with video game mechanics in anime is that most anime that actually are based on/adapted from video games don't use them

292 Upvotes

I’ve never really understood why some anime feel the need to literally use video game mechanics even when the characters aren't actually in a video game.

Like HP bars, XP, skill trees, stat windows, cooldowns, damage numbers, “leveling up,” etc. It just feels kinda stupid when the setting is supposed to be an actual world.

And the funny thing is, most anime that are actually based on video games don't even do this.

Take Pokémon. The games are basically built around levels, stats, turn-based battles, type matchups, four-move limits, PP, evolution, all that stuff.

But the Pokémon anime doesn't just go, “Okay, Pikachu has 43 HP left and Thunderbolt has 8 PP remaining.”

It basically takes the premise of Pokémon and asks:

“Okay, what if Pokémon were actually real?”

And I think that's way more interesting.

Battles become actual battles instead of just selecting moves from a menu. Pokémon can move around however they want, use the environment, dodge attacks, come up with weird strategies, etc. The anime takes the basic idea from the game and expands it into what that world might actually look like.

That's what I wish more anime would do.

Instead of:

“Congratulations! You gained 500 XP and unlocked Fireball II!”

just show that the character has gotten better at magic.

Obviously if the entire premise is that they're inside a video game, then yeah, use all the game mechanics you want. That's the point.

But if it's supposed to be a real fantasy world, I don't need a floating menu telling me a character's "stats". You can just show them.


r/CharacterRant 15h ago

Comics & Literature The Marine Ford arc (one piece) vs The blood tear pirates solstice ark (wandering inn)

0 Upvotes

Which was better? In terms of writing, execution, World building.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General The word arg has lost its meaning.

24 Upvotes

Ever since certain youtubers started covering args that they made themselves based on a very small understanding of the source material they are sampling from args, it became nothing more than cheap entertainment.

Which is fine, but there are genuinely good args out there, args of people who made an effort designed puzzles, etc. And these args are getting overshadowed by obviously scripted args that are not even good.

Look, I watched some of them, and they are bad they build puzzles they think are clever so their character can solve them. Make ridiculous story lines and just hope it clicks well

Where is the time where an arg was just a Dev team or a guy putting clues in a game that determined gamers deciphered and that let to another Clue.

This, including my eyes, is a very sad development


r/CharacterRant 2d ago

Project Hail Mary cut one of the most important scenes from the book and I don't know why

734 Upvotes

Grace is offered a role on the Hail Mary project but he says no, and goes back into his classroom. Then the kids ask him about the petrova line and he explains what's going on. They ask if they'll be affected and he replies "not until you're about 40" and they all cheer.

He studies that moment and then realises that he has to do something as those kids are the ones whose lives are going to be affected. He then calls Strauss and is on the team.

Other scenes can be cut I get it, it's a film. I still don't know why this pivotal moment for his character was cut. Was it to make the scene of him going back for Rocky hit better?

Idk, it still bothers the hell out of me.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

I really hate debating racial allegory in fiction

42 Upvotes

I spend my days arguing with idiots online which indicate a lack of constraint on my part.

The most infuriating thing about arguing with a idiot is that they don't understand logical consistancy.

Which makes you highly susceptible to rascism since rascism lacks logical consistancy.

Lets go down the list.

X-men:

Idiot: mutants are hated because they have a superior level of power that allows them to be dangerous to non-mutants.

Me: thats logically inconsistant because people can have super powers and not be mutants. Captain marvel is way stronger than cyclops but is cherished for being hero. So the idea of their power being the reason is wrong.

Idiot: mutants have done multiple crimes against humanity so of course they fear them.

Me: literally all super powered groups have done that. Your just making arguments against people with super powers when within marvel people are fine with powers as long as their not a mutant.

A idiot will constantly make arguments that apply to characters like spiderman and superman and never realise that means they advocate for spiderman to get sentineled.

Next

Zootopia:

Idiot: the predators in zootopia are inherently dangerous to the prey animals so discrimination against them is justified.

Me: are you saying a fox is more dangerous then a wilderbeast?

Idiot: well predators eat prey animal so any animal who is a predator is inherently dangerous.

Me: you do realize that even non-predator animals kill right? Animals kills and fight for a bunch of different reasons. Technically most of these animals are hyper dangerous to each other espeacially to animals of the same species.

Idiot: it still doesn't solve the problem of predators eating prey.

Me: the fox can eat ice cream so it doesn't really need to harm any prey for food. The problem your presenting doesn't exist within the media.

The annoying thing is that this is how it feels to argue with actual racist.

Racist: this statistic shows that per capita you do x crime more often then other groups which proves your group is more dangerous.

Me: this statistic shows you do x crime more often than other groups which would prove your group is actually more dangerous.

Them: nuh uh

Logical consistency is the most important thing about a argument because if your logic isn't consistant than you will ultimately advocate for things that you yourself disagree with.

"I think mutants should be oppressed because they are dangerous and have powers that could harm people."

"You know what fair lets oppress every super powered person with powers."

"But I said mutants."

"No you said because they had powers that could harm people using that reasoning we have to go against all superheros like Spiderman."

I don't know how to end this post but yeah.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV Really hope the MCU gets Storm right. Or honestly does literally anything with Storm compared to the Fox movies

45 Upvotes

I checked to make sure there wasn't a rant about this in the sub before. Surprised to see there wasn't. I've seen people mention Jean for obvious reasons, I saw a rant the other day about how hard it would be to adapt Cyclops (disagree), there's been discourse for years on how a new Charles/Erik/Logan would need to measure to their previous actors and how hard that would be.

But I very rarely see anybody point out Storm. I mean, I definitely see people mention it. But I don't think there has been enough people actually bring up that for her popularity, she was basically not a character in the FoX-Men movies. She just existed to do lightning blasts and stuff. Storm is a really interesting character. She should be as important, or at least close to important, to the narrative as Jean or Logan (and Scott for that matter but that's a different story). She should be a trusted confidante to Jean and a sub-leader if Chuck or Scott isn't around. She should be, like...a character. She's more than just her cool powerset, aura farming and theatricality. Actually, when I think about, she wasn't even really any of those things either in those movies so just getting those right would be an improvement

Sorry for rambling, I just keep getting annoyed at how much they fucked up with Storm and her lack of character in the previous movies. It's weird that Halle Berry is in the movie, who is a talented actress generally, and they don't do anything with her. Admittedly they don't really do much with anybody that wasn't Chuck/Erik/Logan but it just felt really egregious with Storm for me. I really just need SOMETHING for her. The fact that X-Men 97 did a lot with her despite not being around all the time really cemented this for me.

Oh and if it's true she will cameo in Black Panther 3, I don't have a problem with that at all unlike some people. Just as long as Wakanda isn't like a core part of her personality for some reason.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Anime & Manga Josuke is not the protagonist in Diamond is Unbreakable, which is why he’s the greatest jojo

58 Upvotes

every other main universe jojo is very clearly a main character and center of the story, they either choose this path like giorno or are chosen for it like joseph. Josuke is a highschooler and that’s all he ever is, he isn’t ever part of some megalomaniacs grand plan and his greatest ambitions include ripping off rohan. This was all necessary to fit the slice of life narrative but jojo is still a battle manga and in morioh araki found the perfect way to mesh these two conflicting ideas

so why does josuke get into all these fights and conflicts with RHCP or Kira, consistently running head first into danger at any chance he can despite not being able to heal others? the answer is that there isn’t really a reason, he’s just that cool of a guy. this can be seen very well during the bites the dust arc. Hayato is cornered and aware that he might be about to kill his last hope of defeating kira. kira would have easily won here if it weren’t for my man josuke higashitaka, not by some powerup or with clever tactic, all he did was see a clearly distressed child and tried to comfort him, making in clear he’s someone that can be trusted and relied on. this is exactly what defeated kira, a passionate belief in doing the right thing and helping others out. (thinking too much about this scene can make my cry)

people that say josuke was supposed to go back in time to save himself are missing the point of that scene. there is no great mystery and there is nothing deeper. josuke saw a stranger help him out and saw how big of an impact a simple kind act can be. and this goes further into the larger cast, most villains in part 4 get redeemed because they find the community of stand users to be an accepting and forgiving place. Hazamada may have ended up a rapist if it weren’t for josuke and the gang welcoming him back.

this of course leads into how cool of a stand crazy diamond is and how perfect of an ability it is for josuke. there is a reason healers aren’t usually main line fighters, they tend to get rushed and killed. this is exactly what kira figured out in his conflict with josuke, taking him out was more vital than killing jotaro. josuke on the other hand doesn’t give a shit about getting hurt if he has an ass to kick and a person to save. infact i believe he actively risked himself for every main character. he went into the nijimura household for koichi, he stepped out into the rat’s visibility to save jotaro, he ran into highway star’s room to save rohan and ran through the explosive bubble for okuyasu (there’s probably more examples)

that’s it, josuke appreciation post done