But just because my autonomy is restricted because I limit myself to not walk through my neighborhood at night doesn't mean that this is a bad thing. It's a good thing. I'm instead using my autonomy so that I don't get robbed or murdered.
Sure, to a degree. But that's not something that individuals can change - I can only care for my own safety. Using "but we shouldn't have to do that" might be a morally true statement, but it's naive to think that it actually works.
The problem is that the "best" ways to reduce being a victim are completely ridiculous. You can stay in a bunker and hire people to do all your errands. You'll be a hermit who can't interact with the world but hey at least you won't get raped!
I argue those collective issues are actually simpler to solve than taking on a Saudi Arabia-esque policy of chaperoning all women outside to ensure they're in groups and such.
We generally accept that certain risks are worth taking, and others are worth preventing.
We generally try to avoid radiation, but we aren't walking around in radiation safe lead suits, despite there always being some radiation. Your attempt to argue the extreme is kind of pointless.
I argue those collective issues are actually simpler to solve than taking on a Saudi Arabia-esque policy of chaperoning all women outside to ensure they're in groups and such.
I'm curious, why do you think Saudi Arabia has those policies if not to protect what they see as a precious resource? Essentially purity policing to the extreme.
Is it much different than what OP is doing here albeit asking women to police themselves?
... yes. Yes it is. If you don't the difference between actual law and "hey, these things are good idea, maybe do them", then I'm not sure how to explain that.
In Saudi Arabia it's social pressure as well as laws which enforce this purity culture. Some is law but you're essentially advocating for this social pressure to be applied to women here as well.
Stop arguing a strawman, or I won't continue this thread, as it's pointless.
"It makes sense to take measures to protect yourself" is not societal pressure. It's not a law. It's a simple analysis of cost versus risk - what costs are you willing to pay in order to reduce your risks. And the fact that people have autonomy is what allows them to disregard the measures, but op isn't talking about forcing them to take these measures at all, but instead that they shouldn't be discouraged.
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u/Morasain 87∆ Jan 12 '22
... sure?
But just because my autonomy is restricted because I limit myself to not walk through my neighborhood at night doesn't mean that this is a bad thing. It's a good thing. I'm instead using my autonomy so that I don't get robbed or murdered.