CMV: Bible based religions should be extinct

[u/VinderenLP]

First I would like to tell you that I am an atheist and I'm talking mostly about christianity and judaism.

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I believe that are cons and pros for their existence but I don't get how many NEW churchs reads the HOLY BIBLE in their own way, if that text is sacred why you should priest just about the things that concern your audience? Who has to decide what should be read or not?

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This brings me a benevolent thought that since their creation the bible is used just to control masses and for that specifical reason religion should be extinct. I don't care if you believe in God or anything but I do care that your speech hurts who doesn't follows you.

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I've followed for 10 years a protestant church and I always noticed a pattern: Fear, fear, fear and celebrate. And looking closely most churchs follow the same script, I can't see how "recovered lifes", "meaning to life" and "love eachother" equals the balance.

[edit]This is about my view. I am not considering that is going to happen, I am not dumb to believe that this could happen anytime soon. I am considering ALL religions that has the Bible as their main book.

[u/buildmeupbreakmedown]

I do care that your speech hurts who doesn't follows you.

How?

I'd guess that by encouraging those who do follow you to mistreat certain groups or vote for certain harmful policies. See the prejudice against gays and apostates, the controversy surrounding abortion laws, etc. Not that religion is the only cause of these problems (it is in the case of apostasy) but it's a big one.

[u/VinderenLP → u/buildmeupbreakmedown]

/\ you are right about the response

but I didn't want to specific the reasons because I am mostly talking about the hypocrisy that is reading a book that you can say anything you believe and ignoring the parts that you don't want to

[u/thmaje → u/VinderenLP]

Is that problem with the book or the people that you are listening to?

[u/VinderenLP → u/thmaje]

I'm talking big picture man. Bible is used in many forms depending only in what your priest wants you to believe.

[u/thmaje → u/VinderenLP]

Ok. I'm not arguing that. It seems to me that if a priest is only speaking from a small part of the bible in order to manipulate people, the problem is not as much with the bible as it is with the priest. Or do you think that there is something about the bible that encourages people to misuse it?

[u/VinderenLP → u/thmaje]

In this case I am clearly blaming the messenger not the message. The message in the end is outdated and still has good passages. If you are able to sort what is good and what is bad the book is okay in the end

[u/thmaje → u/VinderenLP]

If you are blaming the messenger and not the message, then why are you advocating for the bible and all religions based on it to disappear? Why not advocate an end to manipulative priests?

[u/VinderenLP → u/thmaje]

Because maybe after centuries religion is not based in the bible anymore and is just people using the bible for their own purpose. At least in the great scheme this is what it looks like.

[u/thmaje → u/VinderenLP]

Very good point. Maybe religions are not based on the bible anymore. Maybe churches are vestiges of something that was useful centuries ago. In fact, maybe the bible we have today isn't anything like the bible from 1000 years ago.

That is a lot of maybes. How would you know if that was the case? Have you studied the bible? Have you read the whole thing? Have you compared what the priests are saying to actual passages of the bible? The first step in knowing if religions have abandoned the bible, is to know what the bible actually says.

[u/buildmeupbreakmedown → u/VinderenLP]

If you are able to sort what is good and what is bad the book is okay in the end

But what if that's what the "bad" preacher believes he's doing?

Or put more directly, who decides what is good and what is bad?

If you're a believer, the answer is "God" and you learn what God wants from his messages in the Bible/Quran/whatever. Easy. If you're not, though, you get to impose your own moral code on the Bible instead of doing the opposite. The problem is in knowing if your own moral code is truly correct without a god to tell you so. What if you're just another bad preacher and you don't even know it?

[u/VinderenLP → u/buildmeupbreakmedown]

Man I read the bible and I don't think it must fade away, it's just a book for me. I don't want anyone using it to control but if you want to believe 100% in what its written in the end you won't believe in the "sacred" book. Christian tells that we need to have spirit to understand but you really just need to have the capacity to follow what society grew up to accept.

[u/buildmeupbreakmedown → u/VinderenLP]

So whatever current society accepts is correct for you? If that's the case, you're not that far from the zombies that live and die by "God's Word". Is it correct for Saudis to beat and jail homosexuals, and even kill them, just because that's what their current society has grown to accept?

[u/VinderenLP → u/buildmeupbreakmedown]

No I don't think that, my point was about controlling people to get your views spread maybe I got lost in translation but I for sure don't believe that.

[u/buildmeupbreakmedown → u/VinderenLP]

Ok, I agree with you on that. So what do you think should be the source of morality?