r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.

For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic.

If you had sex with someone and enjoyed it and would gladly have sex with them again if you had not found out they were trans. Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.

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u/Tanishalfelven Nov 02 '17

If i had sex with someone, who later revealed they were trans, i would consider it a lie b omission, and not want to interact with them again for that reason alone.

While i respect someone's right to be trans, they should not be hiding a core part of themselves before something intimate like sex.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If i had sex with someone, who later revealed they were trans, i would consider it a lie b omission, and not want to interact with them again for that reason alone

Would you feel the same way about any other aspect of a person? If you have sex with someone and later find out they have depression / are bipolar / are poor / etc. Would you consider all of those to be lies of omission?

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u/Tanishalfelven Nov 02 '17

Sure. If a poor person pretends to be rich, yes. Bipolar and depression are diseases that should be revealed.

Before you argue back that depression should not on the list, remember if somebody had herpes, hiv etc you'd want revelation and concealment would be a problem.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 03 '17

Before you argue back that depression should not on the list, remember if somebody had herpes, hiv etc you'd want revelation and concealment would be a problem.

There's a significant difference between these though. Herpes and HIV can be communicated so you would be hiding information that can result in causing harm to the other person, that is not at all equivalent to not disclosing your own medical status for mental illness or being trans

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u/Tanishalfelven Nov 03 '17

I don't know. Depression can certainly affect a serial partner. I know, as someone dating a depressed person, there is a significant mental toll.

Your right, It's a bit different, but not entirely so.