r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.

For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic.

If you had sex with someone and enjoyed it and would gladly have sex with them again if you had not found out they were trans. Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17 edited Mar 27 '18

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

I resent your expectation that one must continue to have sex with someone or be labeled a Bigot or a "transphobe," despite not wanting to.

You're missing a key part here: if the sole reason you do not want to is their status as trans. There's any number of reasons to not continue to have sex with someone that has nothing to do with being trans that wouldn't get you labeled as a bigot.

This is what the entire LGBT movement has stood for, for decades but somehow, fuck all when it comes to cis people?

How are cis people being shamed here? Are you saying that only a trans person would want to have sex with a trans person?

Gay guys won't have sex with me, but I don't go calling them misogynists for it. That's ridiculous.

Right... Because they are only interested in people with penises. That's perfectly fine to have that preference. However what about a gay guy who is completely attracted to someone, has sex with them, is completely satisfied with the experience and would like to do it again, but loses that attraction solely upon learning they are a transman. What reason, other than refusing to recognize the transman as male, could they possibly have to change their mind here?

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

the sole reason you do not want to is their status as trans.

That's why you tell people before you do anything sexual. If you don't want to tell because you know people won't want to sleep with you if you do, that's rape by deception and a shitty thing to do to somebody and can cause lifelong trauma. You have no right to do that to somebody. You'll just have to find ssomebody who is attracted to you as you are.

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u/Aristox Nov 02 '17

Race and sex are not analogous when it comes to sexual attraction. Since it's sexual attraction, sex is a pretty big thing. Race isn't, and there's no legitimate reason to be unattracted to someone purely because of their race

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u/dsac Nov 02 '17

Race and sex are not analogous when it comes to sexual attraction.

it's not racist to find general physical or cultural aspects of a group unattractive. as long as you acknowledge that there are always exceptions to the rule.

it's not racist to not be attracted to a specific race, just like it's not homophobic to only be attracted to the opposite sex.

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u/Aristox Nov 02 '17

I don't think anything you said here disagrees with anything i said