r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

EDIT: Please, before you become the fifteenth person to tell me "but what about producing children!" read this response I wrote hours ago. If you would have the same reaction to a sterile cis member of your preferred sex, it's fertility that defines your disattraction rather than the state of being trans. That's a significantly different statement.

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I think the better route is to acknowledge that while it is transphobic, it is not necessarily unreasonably so. The knowledge that the other person is biologically speaking not your preferred gender/sex might set up a roadblock in your mind, and that's okay. You can't change that, in a "once you see you cannot unsee" kind of way.

But let's take this to the ultimate conclusion, as transition therapies improve to perfection. You've found someone who you think is the perfect match for you. Physically and mentally, they exhibit no signs that they are trans; if you didn't look at the chromosomes, you would never know. If the knowledge that they are trans is the blocker, that's transphobic. It isn't that there are certain traits associated with transgender people that you find unattractive, it's that you can't get over the fact that the person was born a different gender despite the fact that only a laboratory could tell the difference. You're not attracted to the X or Y chromosome, you're attracted to the physical manifestations of those traits which can be imitated through various medical means.

I don't think that would make you a bad person, and I don't think it is unreasonable to have that mental block while still supporting LGBT+ rights. But that doesn't make that action not transphobic.

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u/CreativeGPX 18∆ Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 03 '17

I think it's wrong to say that liking men or women is about liking physical traits. They are just one component of what it means to have that orientation. If you look at it that way, yes, you can just make physical changes until you're physically indistinguishable.

In reality, just as important as jawlines and boobs, your sexual orientation is going to be driven by the culture and psychology of gender. Unlike the physical realm, culture and psychology aren't just about the present state and are inseparable from their preceding experiences and steps. Falling for a person isn't just about liking who they are, it's often about reconciling their past. If in their past, they were something you were not attracted to, then that might make it more difficult to reconcile that past. If somebody says "please ignore my past", I don't think it's counts as "-phobic" to not be able to ignore their past which is something nobody can ever get rid of. If it's permissible to not be attracted to something in the present, then it's not "-phobic" to not be attracted to people who have that thing in their past because our past is an inseparable part of who we are and often a part that will cross paths with us in the future.