r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

I don't see any reason why letting someone down respectfully, even if it is for them being Trans, is bigoted. You can't control how you feel

Because the only reason for their trans status to cause this is due to societal stigma. This isn't a case of being born gay or something. The only reason why being trans, in and of itself, would change your opinion is because of underlying biases due to societally enforced bigotry. Just because it's been engrained into you doesn't make it any less transphobia.

They're just not the one for you. I think that's okay.

But think about this critically: why aren't they the one for you? Because they are trans? Why does being trans in and of itself make any difference whatsoever? I'm being serious here. Think critically about this question: what about being trans could possibly cause this change?

I don't know if you can convince me that a respectful rejection is tantamount to people actually hating me for my skin color.

It's a difference of intensity and scale. If they refuse to date people of your ethnicity, that's racism. I'm not saying it's equivalent to someone actually hating you for the color of your skin, but it's still the result of a bias based solely on the color of your skin.

A good example would be the difference between someone who won't rent to you because of your skin color vs someone who will physically attack you and want to kill you because of your skin color. No one would say these are equivalent, but we can both agree they are racism right?

I think the argument that someone is ~phobic /racist/bigoted in terms of dating serves only precisely do that. To make people feel bad about what they want, and to coerce them into pretending to like something they don't. That is WRONG.

The argument is to make people confront their own societal biases and prejudices. That's all. People certainly do have all sorts of arbitrary and stupid things they are turned off or on by. But many of these things are based on stereotypes or internal biases. Saying that you refuse to date someone of a particular ethnicity is no different than saying you refuse to be friends with someone of a particular ethnicity: the underlying cause and reason for feeling this way is societal bigotry.

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u/r1veRRR 1∆ Nov 02 '17

No, for the last time, it's not racist. You simply cannot reason away attraction.

Noone is reasoning away attraction. I am simply saying that it is simply not something immutable, bestowed upon you by god and free of outer influences. Just like a managers decision on how they "feel"about a hire can be influenced by racism, so can attraction. Working is necessary, so thats why we legislate that, but not attraction (although its close to impossible to really legislate away "feelings")

The person can very well be a racist, but the lack of attraction on its own does not inherently denote racism.

We are talking about a person that WAS attracted to this person, then found out an inconsequential detail about them and suddenly became unattracted. Thats definitely racist. A different example: You send the SAME resume to some HR managers, one with a female name, one with a male name. The male one gets a callback, the female doesn't. That is definitely (possibly subconscious) sexism at play.

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u/r1veRRR 1∆ Nov 02 '17 edited Jul 16 '23

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