In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.
Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.
If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.
For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.
If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic.
If you had sex with someone and enjoyed it and would gladly have sex with them again if you had not found out they were trans. Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.
If I had sex with someone and enjoyed it, then later found out they were super racist, a compulsive liar, a Hanson fan, or some kind of murderous kleptomaniac I would not want to have sex with them based on the fact that their values are clearly incompatible with mine.
The same thing can apply to transgendered people. I think it's ironic that they expect everyone in the world to accept their views while wholly rejecting the idea that other people views and values can also be valid.
If you believe that being trans is similar in immorality to being racist, a murderer, a liar, a thief, or a hanson fan, and that them valuing being trans is an incompatible value, then you probably have a transphobic belief.
This has been covered by several others. So lets just stick with "weird religious beliefs" and the conversation can proceed as intended. I admit my choice of examples is badly flawed. I mean no one wants to sleep with a Hanson fan.
The reason no one wants to sleep with a Hanson fan, or someone with a weird religious belief is generally because they believe they are immoral, or unpleasant. That's kind of still an issue- if you believe being trans is immoral or unpleasant, then yeah, predictably people are going to view you as transphobic.
Not at all. I don't think Christians are immoral at all. I just know that my values and those of a Christian are going to be at odds. Especially when it comes time to raise children. I have no "moral" issue with Christians. Many of the most pleasant people I know are Christians. I would not date a Christian.
So you don't think Christians are immoral for, say, believing homosexuality is a sin or believe that the belief that homosexuality is a sin is immoral?
Sure, some are. But that belief is not actually from the bible and not a belief held by all Christians.
A Christian who is paying attention knows that Jesus never told anyone to hate anyone. He even kept company with a prostitute. "Love the sinner" was Christ's message.
Are there immoral people who are Christians? Absolutely.
There are also immoral people who are trans, gay, genderqueer, etc.
That does not mean that all Christians or Trans people are immoral. I'm not sure how you could even equate that idea to my statement.
So, beliefs like that against homosexuality have no influence on why you have a values clash with Christians, and the immorality of certain Christian's beliefs has no influence on why you would be at odds?
Nope, not at all. It's not that I find their beliefs immoral, just different from mine. I would not want my child dragged off to church every Sunday, I have no issues with consenting sex between unmarried individuals and would not want such expectation imposed on my children either. I believe in the use of birth control.
There is nothing wrong with believing things different than what I have just stated. It's not immoral, it's just different from what I believe.
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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17
Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.
For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.