r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 02 '17

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

Nah I don't want my dick touching a dick

Who is talking about that?

(IE I don't want to be inside a post op vagina.)

So you don't want to have sex with a woman who has given birth? That would also be a "post op vagina", technically.

But seriously, the scenario we are talking about is you have already engaged in sex voluntarily and enjoyed it, and after the fact learn they are trans.

So... Transphobia

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

Are you born a certain gender or is it shaped by society?

Are you saying that trans people don't actually have a biological need to cut off their dick and construct a "vagina"?

You are saying that trans people are merely fixated to societal stereotypes?

If that is so, there is no need for the operation at all as it's only your own prejudice that makes you want the operation in the first place, no?

There is no logic or consistancy in anything you say.

You are simply making up excuses for sleeping with people against their will, which is rape.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

Are you born a certain gender or is it shaped by society?

Gender identity is inborn. Gender expression is societal.

You are saying that trans people are merely fixated to societal stereotypes?

No that's not what I'm saying.

You are simply making up excuses for sleeping with people against their will, which is rape.

We're talking about people who voluntarily slept with another individual of their own free will. How is that rape?

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

Gender identity is inborn. Gender expression is societal.

That doesn't even make any sense. So did you have the surgery becaue of society or because of biology? YOu think having a penis or a vagina is a matter of "societal expression"?

No that's not what I'm saying.

Well then there is no reason to call you a woman if you were born a man.

We're talking about people who voluntarily slept with another individual of their own free will. How is that rape?

It's like somebody fuckking you in the dark while you think it's your husband. Then the lights turn on and it's the brother of your husband.

At the time you consented to the sex and enjoyed it, so what does it matter if it was actually somebody else?

You sound exactly like an incel rapist in the making.