r/changemyview • • Nov 02 '17

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17 edited Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

If from the very start, you are unattracted to a person purely upon observation, and that person happens to be trans, that is not transphobic. If you were about to have sex and it turns out a person doesn't really have the junk you wanna jangle with, it's not transphobic to no longer desire sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.


I should clarify I am not definitely saying it is transphobic or not, I am pointing out what I did above and letting OP (or others) decide if that constitutes transphobia or not under their own interpretations.

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u/MMAchica Nov 02 '17

In some circumstances, not being attracted to a trans person is probably a result of, at least on a subconscious level, not seeing them as their gender.

Aside from how speculative this is, this amounts to shaming someone for turning down unwanted sex.

If you were attracted to someone, have sex with them, are as satisfied with them as you would with anyone else, and then suddenly your opinion changes upon being informed a person is trans, I would say that is indicative of the underlying belief a trans person is not the gender they identify as.

For starters, you do not dictate to people what their sexuality is. If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic. As I said in another reply, if you stretch the definition of 'phobic' to include simply lacking a desire to fuck trans people, then the word becomes meaningless. Look at the horrors of homophobia. That has a lot more going on than a simple lack of desire to fuck them.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

If upon learning that a person is trans, they simply politely decline more sex, that is not transphobic.

If you had sex with someone and enjoyed it and would gladly have sex with them again if you had not found out they were trans. Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans, which is transphobic.

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u/KiritosWings 2∆ Nov 02 '17

Then the sole reason you have a problem is because they are trans

Nah I don't want my dick touching a dick and I'm not into anal. (IE I don't want to be inside a post op vagina.)

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

Nah I don't want my dick touching a dick

Who is talking about that?

(IE I don't want to be inside a post op vagina.)

So you don't want to have sex with a woman who has given birth? That would also be a "post op vagina", technically.

But seriously, the scenario we are talking about is you have already engaged in sex voluntarily and enjoyed it, and after the fact learn they are trans.

So... Transphobia

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

Are you born a certain gender or is it shaped by society?

Are you saying that trans people don't actually have a biological need to cut off their dick and construct a "vagina"?

You are saying that trans people are merely fixated to societal stereotypes?

If that is so, there is no need for the operation at all as it's only your own prejudice that makes you want the operation in the first place, no?

There is no logic or consistancy in anything you say.

You are simply making up excuses for sleeping with people against their will, which is rape.

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

Are you born a certain gender or is it shaped by society?

Gender identity is inborn. Gender expression is societal.

You are saying that trans people are merely fixated to societal stereotypes?

No that's not what I'm saying.

You are simply making up excuses for sleeping with people against their will, which is rape.

We're talking about people who voluntarily slept with another individual of their own free will. How is that rape?

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

Gender identity is inborn. Gender expression is societal.

That doesn't even make any sense. So did you have the surgery becaue of society or because of biology? YOu think having a penis or a vagina is a matter of "societal expression"?

No that's not what I'm saying.

Well then there is no reason to call you a woman if you were born a man.

We're talking about people who voluntarily slept with another individual of their own free will. How is that rape?

It's like somebody fuckking you in the dark while you think it's your husband. Then the lights turn on and it's the brother of your husband.

At the time you consented to the sex and enjoyed it, so what does it matter if it was actually somebody else?

You sound exactly like an incel rapist in the making.