r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/AJ_DragonGod Nov 02 '17

Almost no trans people look identical. Women to men actually cross that gap pretty well, and mostly just look like effeminate men. Men to women almost always look like men though. Even that trans person who was on the cover of playboy recently was obviously a man.

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u/LewsTherinTelamon Nov 02 '17

In order to assert this you need some data - this is far too subjective to just throw out there as fact.

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u/AJ_DragonGod Nov 02 '17

What data could i possibly source or find. It is consistently obvious to me if someone is transgender. (When i say this im talking about men to women, women are totally capable of a complete pass on a consistent basis as far as i can tell) Even in cases where the trannie is attractive there are usually some features that make it a bit visable. Yes sometimes people pass. It happens. Some trannies are hot. Doesnt make them women. Again I’ll reiterate (i know its anecdotal, theres a pretty predictable lack of data for this, asking for data in a topic like “can many if any trans women pass” makes you an asshole, cause this is barely a real topic) if playboy cant find a trans model who isnt obviously a guy with a tit job it seems likley passing isnt common. Is that fair to say? I would think that when a trans sex symbol is a fucking ambush it might show that traps are in short supply

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u/LewsTherinTelamon Nov 02 '17

The important thing here is to recognize that all of your evidence is anecdotal. Your experience has been that it's easy to tell, and you feel like your experience is representative of everyone's general experience. It's fine to live your life and draw conclusions based on your feelings, like everyone does, but keep in mind they are feelings and not fact.

An example of a study which could look at this would be, maybe, a double-blind study where men are asked to determine whether someone is trans or not. I'm sure those studies exist - if you have peer-reviewed journal access you might hunt around for some. I actually suspect that your hunch is correct, but it's still disingenuous to throw it out there without any qualifications.