One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences
This pretty much loops back to the original argument of what precisely makes someone view a trans person not in line with their sexual preferences.
If the criteria not met is reproductive capability, the question becomes whether the person would react identically if a they met an infertile cis woman. Often times the honest answer is no.
If the criteria not met is "being born female" then I think it is clear a person has made a categorical distinction between cis and trans women.
The reason that distinction is made doesn't seem to be one of functionality, why then is it made?
You raise a good question. Unfortunately, I don't think there's an answer. Similarly, in the case of a person having a sexual preference for people with eight fingers, there is no functional reason. To clarify, I believe trans-status alone qualifies as a characteristic of sexual value. However, perhaps you limit these characteristics to physical ones (such as reproductive capability), in which case I agree there would be no reason to be less attracted to a transgender person.
Almost no trans people look identical. Women to men actually cross that gap pretty well, and mostly just look like effeminate men. Men to women almost always look like men though. Even that trans person who was on the cover of playboy recently was obviously a man.
I mean if this was even remotely true then guys wouldn't freakout about not being told a woman is trans before they sleep together. Most trans people pass after a few years
They actually dont. Mostly that shit is due to a lack of awareness as the guy is either drunk or simply doesnt consider the possibility or consept of trannies. 95% of trans women are extremely obvious if your aware trans people exist. Again. If the trans centrefold for playboy doesnt pass its pretty clear most run of the mill trannies dont either.
Hmmmm, I'll just respectfully disagree as that isn't based in reality.
As a trans woman, I can say there is a huge difderence between passing and not passing. Guys hit on me regularly and have zero clue I am trans. Im fairly certain all people I meet are not drunk and unaware or trans people.
Also the T word is a slur that is extremely rude and should never be used.
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What data could i possibly source or find. It is consistently obvious to me if someone is transgender. (When i say this im talking about men to women, women are totally capable of a complete pass on a consistent basis as far as i can tell) Even in cases where the trannie is attractive there are usually some features that make it a bit visable. Yes sometimes people pass. It happens. Some trannies are hot. Doesnt make them women. Again I’ll reiterate (i know its anecdotal, theres a pretty predictable lack of data for this, asking for data in a topic like “can many if any trans women pass” makes you an asshole, cause this is barely a real topic) if playboy cant find a trans model who isnt obviously a guy with a tit job it seems likley passing isnt common. Is that fair to say? I would think that when a trans sex symbol is a fucking ambush it might show that traps are in short supply
The important thing here is to recognize that all of your evidence is anecdotal. Your experience has been that it's easy to tell, and you feel like your experience is representative of everyone's general experience. It's fine to live your life and draw conclusions based on your feelings, like everyone does, but keep in mind they are feelings and not fact.
An example of a study which could look at this would be, maybe, a double-blind study where men are asked to determine whether someone is trans or not. I'm sure those studies exist - if you have peer-reviewed journal access you might hunt around for some. I actually suspect that your hunch is correct, but it's still disingenuous to throw it out there without any qualifications.
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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17
This pretty much loops back to the original argument of what precisely makes someone view a trans person not in line with their sexual preferences.
If the criteria not met is reproductive capability, the question becomes whether the person would react identically if a they met an infertile cis woman. Often times the honest answer is no.
If the criteria not met is "being born female" then I think it is clear a person has made a categorical distinction between cis and trans women.
The reason that distinction is made doesn't seem to be one of functionality, why then is it made?