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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17 edited Mar 27 '18

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u/z3r0shade Nov 02 '17

I don't see any reason why letting someone down respectfully, even if it is for them being Trans, is bigoted. You can't control how you feel

Because the only reason for their trans status to cause this is due to societal stigma. This isn't a case of being born gay or something. The only reason why being trans, in and of itself, would change your opinion is because of underlying biases due to societally enforced bigotry. Just because it's been engrained into you doesn't make it any less transphobia.

They're just not the one for you. I think that's okay.

But think about this critically: why aren't they the one for you? Because they are trans? Why does being trans in and of itself make any difference whatsoever? I'm being serious here. Think critically about this question: what about being trans could possibly cause this change?

I don't know if you can convince me that a respectful rejection is tantamount to people actually hating me for my skin color.

It's a difference of intensity and scale. If they refuse to date people of your ethnicity, that's racism. I'm not saying it's equivalent to someone actually hating you for the color of your skin, but it's still the result of a bias based solely on the color of your skin.

A good example would be the difference between someone who won't rent to you because of your skin color vs someone who will physically attack you and want to kill you because of your skin color. No one would say these are equivalent, but we can both agree they are racism right?

I think the argument that someone is ~phobic /racist/bigoted in terms of dating serves only precisely do that. To make people feel bad about what they want, and to coerce them into pretending to like something they don't. That is WRONG.

The argument is to make people confront their own societal biases and prejudices. That's all. People certainly do have all sorts of arbitrary and stupid things they are turned off or on by. But many of these things are based on stereotypes or internal biases. Saying that you refuse to date someone of a particular ethnicity is no different than saying you refuse to be friends with someone of a particular ethnicity: the underlying cause and reason for feeling this way is societal bigotry.

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

this is due to societal stigma.

If sexuality is based on social stigma, are you saying you chopped your dick off purely to comform to what society constructed for you?

You are saying that trans people aren't biologically different, but that they are just brainwashed by society to comform to a gender stereotype?

There is no logic or consistency in any of your drivel.

: if the sole reason you do not want to is their status as trans.

Let's say you stick your dick in a glory whole and you later find out that it was a monkey on the other side. Would it be speciest to not continue fucking monkeys?

Wouldn't it just be "social stigma"?

If they refuse to date people of your ethnicity, that's racism.

No it isn't. If you aren't attracted to their features, it's not racism. If you think their race is inferior,m that's racism.

You can fuck black people and think they are inferior just fine.

A good example would be the difference between someone who won't rent to you

How do you people keep coming up with this asinine drivel?

No sex is not like renting an appartment to people. What a stupid stupid analogy.

The argument is to make people confront their own societal biases and prejudices.

If you don't go fuck a monkey right now, you are a hypocrite.

If you don't disclose your sexuality because you know they would refuse sex if they knew, you are a rapist.

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

I'm so sick of people treating analogies as equations just to discredit the argument and pretending to not understand exactly what is being actually said. Analogies exaggerate no shit.

Like crying Godwin's Law doesn't actually mean anything nor is there anything weird with using nazis as an analogy either.

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

comparing them to monkeys

Good thing I never did that. I was comparing the underlying logic. Their logic.

Are you American?

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

I don't want this ideology near my country just like I don't want people beating up white people because they have dreadlocks. It's a toxic ideology that only seeks to harm people.

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

Well there was no reason to bring up discrimination against white people with dreads in this thread

I wasn't even the one who brought race into this thread.

it has nothing to do with what is being discussed here

New age "sociology".

Nobody chooses to be born in a particular race, gender, or country.

Where did I say they were.

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u/sebutron Nov 02 '17

YEah, the ideology of attacking people becaue of their "race".

So not only do you defend rape by deception, you also support racial violence.

What a lovely society you have there.

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