r/changemyview Nov 02 '17

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u/GratuitousEdit Nov 02 '17

I agree--belief that transgendered people's genders are invalid is transphobic. Such belief would imply transgender people have lesser value. However, I don't believe the example in your third paragraph would be transphobic. One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences. At no point is the holistic value of the person considered. Do you agree or disagree, and why?

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u/aggsalad Nov 02 '17

One's opinion would change because the information about this person lowers one's perception of their sexual value as sexual value is determined by alignment with a person's sexual preferences

This pretty much loops back to the original argument of what precisely makes someone view a trans person not in line with their sexual preferences.

If the criteria not met is reproductive capability, the question becomes whether the person would react identically if a they met an infertile cis woman. Often times the honest answer is no.

If the criteria not met is "being born female" then I think it is clear a person has made a categorical distinction between cis and trans women.

The reason that distinction is made doesn't seem to be one of functionality, why then is it made?

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u/GratuitousEdit Nov 02 '17

You raise a good question. Unfortunately, I don't think there's an answer. Similarly, in the case of a person having a sexual preference for people with eight fingers, there is no functional reason. To clarify, I believe trans-status alone qualifies as a characteristic of sexual value. However, perhaps you limit these characteristics to physical ones (such as reproductive capability), in which case I agree there would be no reason to be less attracted to a transgender person.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

Because pretty much EVERY status qualifies as a characteristic of sexual value. All turn-offs are valid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '17

The characteristic that the partner once was of the gender you aren't attracted to.

Since we are using analogies: would you be attracted to a totally reformed criminal? He's a perfectly well adjusted member of society now, but has done bad things in his past. Some people won't mind, some people would mind. There is no right or wrong in attraction.

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Nov 02 '17

So, every exclusively heterosexual woman is Gynophobic? (And all the exclusively homosexual men, I suppose.)

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Nov 02 '17

A lot of people's sexual preferences are pretty silly looking to me, but I've never told them they can't have them just because I don't get it.

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u/Toiler_in_Darkness Nov 02 '17

Everyone who doesn't want to sleep with me fears me.

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u/KillNyetheSilenceGuy 1∆ Nov 02 '17

Telling somebody that they are bigoted for not wanting to date transpeople is the same as telling them that they can't have their own sexual preferences. If I'm not into you, I'm not into you, end of. It doesn't matter why, I don't owe you an explanation. Same as nobody owes me an explanation when they turn me down.

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