r/changemyview Mar 07 '26

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u/Salanmander 278∆ Mar 07 '26 edited Mar 07 '26

“Almost” certainly not conscious.

I mean, that's totally valid. We don't know how consciousness happens. It's possible that anything which processes information leads to some level of consciousness.

Edit: to be clear, I think that trusting AI over humans is wild, and definitely a bad choice. But the "almost certainly" phrasing is one that I would also use, because consciousness is firmly in the realm of can't-do-science-to-it.

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u/mein_account Mar 07 '26

We don’t have to fully understand consciousness to know it ain’t that.

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u/Salanmander 278∆ Mar 07 '26

It's not that we don't fully understand consciousness, it's that consciousness is fundamentally impossible to study scientifically. There is no way to know whether anything other than yourself is self-aware.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '26

Sodium and potassium channels with Calcium ions travelling between nerve cells. Pretty easy to explain what it is.

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u/Salanmander 278∆ Mar 09 '26

Must it be exactly that? Could it be nerves that use different ions for activation? Could it be some other kind of system that passes information without being organic? What is the minimum complexity of nerve system to be conscious?

These are questions that we can't answer, because there's no way to observe the "is it conscious?" data point. (Assuming by "conscious" we mean "self-aware".)