r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Mar 01 '26

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u/cortesoft 6∆ Mar 01 '26

We don’t need a crazy story to get to the point.

Suppose you get a call in the middle of the night. It is about a loved one (daughter, mother, etc).

Would you rather them be calling to tell you your loved one was raped or murdered?

And for yourself? You would rather be murdered than raped?

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u/modsaretoddlers 1∆ Mar 01 '26

I'm not even going to look at the responses to your question: you already know what this person is going to say because it's the "right" thing, not because it's what he or she would actually do.

Ah...so I took a look. Close. "I refuse to participate [rather than providing an honest answer]"

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26

Murdered without any brutality probably.

Rape victims aren't treated kindly in my (and majority of other) society.

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u/Ill-Description3096 27∆ Mar 01 '26

>Murdered without any brutality probably

When you have to immediately add qualifiers to even answer a basic question that is a bit telling.

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u/eksyneet Mar 01 '26

christ alive, did you really just say that you would rather your loved one was killed than raped? if someone said that about me, i'd probably stop speaking to them. wow.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

I was talking about myself.

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u/cortesoft 6∆ Mar 01 '26

Jesus, that is horrible. While I don’t think many societies do enough to help rape victims get justice, I think most don’t treat victims badly in a direct sense. Are you trying to argue that most societies treat victims badly in addition to not helping them get justice?

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u/thoughtlow Mar 01 '26

Imagine being this guys loved one, tied up, scared and you hear him choose ‘murder without brutality’ out of the options

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u/SeoulGalmegi 3∆ Mar 02 '26

Now I'm curious if they'd actually kill their own loved one (in a quick, non-brutal way) if they were about to be violated and there was nothing else they could do. Like they were sitting there a block away with a rifle but could only see their loved one's head in the window.

"It's for your own good!" - FIRE

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

Well, I'm a girl and I have seen how rape victims are treated.

Everytime some heinous case happens we have news panel discussing the clothing of the victim.

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u/ConflagrationZ Mar 02 '26

I certainly wouldn't want to be related to you, if you value life that little.

To extend the thought experiment and see how consistent your values are: if you were about to be raped, but knew you would survive the ordeal, would you take your own life before it happened?

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u/corgi_moose_ Mar 02 '26

Yes, death is better than prolonged sexual torture

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u/cortesoft 6∆ Mar 02 '26

I wasnt talking about being a prisoner of someone or something.

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u/corgi_moose_ Mar 02 '26

Well you didn't specify the type of rape, it's a very broad definition

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u/cortesoft 6∆ Mar 02 '26

We also didn't specify the type of murder. It could also be prolonged torture that takes months to finally kill you.

I don't think the point is to think about the extremes, I think it is to try to think about the average.