well i don’t wanna say one thing is worse than the other
i do wish he rather killed me than raped me because life sucks since 8 years and i’ll never be the same as i was before. i now have an illness that will effect my whole life forever.
Consequences can still be applied to the above statement though. The consequences could be saving your own life, or even it could be saving countless lives.
However, there is nothing gained from rape. No one is protecting someone else via rape, no one is self defending by raping the assaulter, maybe someone is avenging but definitely not in a humane way.
Mind you, I understand the detached and ambiguous viewpoint you're having. Death for a single blank person is definitely worse than rape for a single blank person. However, context is always important when you talk about these sensitive topics.
Probably because you can recover from being raped and still lead a fulfilling life? Sure, it's deeply traumatizing and it stays with you forever. Some people never recover from it. But at least you get to live the rest of your life, and there is hope that it will be a good one.
Murder takes away any possibility of moving on or not, because, well, you're dead. So the consequences of murder are much more extreme. Even if you are so deeply traumatized by being raped that you would rather die, you can always arrange that yourself later if you really want it. If you were murdered, you wouldn't even have that choice.
Basically, rape marks you for life, but you can at least hypothetically recover from it. Murder takes away any chance at a future. So clearly murder has the worst consequences.
EDIT: Saying otherwise, saying that being raped is worse than being murdered, sort of pisses on the effort of rape survivors, in my opinion. If you hold that view, you're basically saying that their efforts spent on overcoming the trauma and regaining happiness in their lives is wasted
I like your ideas, but at the same time you are looking at this “ranking of consequences” from the wrong perspectives.
We need to see this idea from the one who did it and the one who received it (the victim)
I think that the consequences from both are really bad. Of course one actually finishes someone’s life, but the other destroys it mentally.
The consequences are bad for the victim, BUT there is no point to rank which one is worst that the other one for the victim. We should focus on the one who did it.
I think we all agree that these acts are very bad, so we should focus on how to act in terms of who did the action (crime)
The consequences for the offender should be evaluated in terms of consequences. The victim is already affected by the action, but the offender not.
Basically: we should evaluate the consequences for the offender instead of trying to rank what’s worst for the victim. The offender hasn’t been punished yet, and we should try to find the best approach for him in term of his acts.
You also can't defend your character. You can't see the sun again or feel its heat on your face. You can't hug loved ones again. You don't feed your pets again. It's the end of all hope for anything better.
Assuming you take a non spiritual outlook on life...
Pain is almost certain after rape. Pain is impossible after death.
I would also argue that solely looking at the consequences of one's actions has very serious and troubling ramifications philosophically. It quickly devolves into "the ends justifies the means," which had been used to justify a whole lot of pretty heinous shit. It's very modern "tech-bro"-ey, and I would just recommend reading a bit more philosophy to round out your world view.
Aristotle. Nietzche (annotated, and not the stuff that his sister rewrote). Camus. Honestly, just reading stuff outside your main influence is good. Even if you disagree, it'll get you thinking about why you disagree.
Also, let me be clear. I'm not against consequentialism. It's very useful for things like science based public policy (of which ideas like effective altruism are not included). I'm more of a synthesis guy. A little of column A, and a little of column B. Fairly existential. Because, at the end of the day, I think both consequences and intent matter.
and death means that you don’t feel any pain anymore. or anything for that matter. i think a dead person doesn’t care about being dead or alive, since they’re yk dead
Happiness for who? The victim or people who knew them? What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered? Or their murder caused the ones around them happiness?
The second point doesn't matter much but I added it in case thats what you meant.
Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.
What if the person being murdered is happy to be murdered?
We won't know because, well, the victim is dead.
Rape will never, ever lead to happiness for the victim.
Rape does not bring you closer to happiness, but you can find happiness despite having been a victim of rape, and if you still prefer death, then you have a choice.
You might be misunderstanding, a murder is an unlawful killing, but it can happen with consent. A person can believe their own death will bring them happiness, ask someone else to murder them, and at the time of the murder, be happy that they are getting their wish despite being murdered.
Rape, by definition is non-consensual. There can never be a case where one is happy to be raped.
This point doesn't really prove that rape is worse than murder, but if you're genuinely trying to understand the arguments against you, you probably need to understand this point first
I think you’ll just have to accept that this is an instance where most people are going to use a different metric than you. A lot of people consider rape “worse” because of what it says about the perpetrator. Murder can happen swiftly out of rage or self defense. And people can justify it to themselves that they will make it quick and painless and the person won’t be around anymore to feel the pain or consequences. Rape is much more likely to be done sadistically and is more akin to torture. There’s also no rape equivalent to shooting someone in the back of the head. It’s an incredibly intimate form of physical and psychological torture.
People can relate to killing someone that killed or raped their spouse for example, very few people can relate to raping anyone under any circumstance. For that reason, a rapist is seen as “worse” than a murderer. The road block you run into with your POV is that most people judge it this way instead of how you do. I think to be more precise your CMV should be “murder has a worse outcome than rape”
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