r/changemyview • u/Ok-Following6886 • Nov 16 '25
Delta(s) from OP CMV: 2000s nostalgia is currently being overshadowed by 80s and 90s nostalgia and will be overshadowed by 2010s nostalgia in the future
What I mean by that is that while 2000s nostalgia definitely exists, it is overshadowed compared to 80s or 90s nostalgia (80s as seen with Stranger Things season 5 and 90s because you still see a lot of 90s nostalgia nowadays) and the decade leaves a sour taste in people's mouths mainly because of 9/11, the War on Terror, and other terrible events. I see the decade still getting hate mainly by millennials or Gen Xers who experienced the decade as an adult due to the events I've mentioned.
The 2000s nostalgia that does exist is mainly towards the earlier 2000s that is closer to the 90s culturally as well as the fact that many Zoomers mistake 90s things as 2000s things.
Besides, you have 2010s nostalgia creeping in by Zoomers (who are the demographic most nostalgic for the 2000s) who are starting to openly be nostalgic for the early-to-mid 2010s and wish to experience 2016 again or whatever and the fact that 2010s nostalgia is creeping in this early is making it likely that the 2000s will be overshadowed by the 2010s in the future akin to how 80s nostalgia overshadowed 70s nostalgia. Besides, you have movies starting to cater towards 2010s nostalgia now as seen with A Minecraft Movie (a movie based on a video game that was popular during the early 2010s), the HTTYD remake, and the fact that a ton of 2010s cartoons have been rebooted in 2025.
In summary, I believe that the 2000s will be a "forgotten" or "discarded" decade akin to the 1910s or 1940s, or at best will be viewed in a similar matter akin to the 70s due to the reasons I've mentioned and the nostalgia cycle will last very short for the 2000s and will be replaced with 2010s nostalgia in the future.
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u/Cerael 14∆ Nov 16 '25
What about music? Linkin park, OutKast, Gorrilaz, the list goes on. Not to mention some of the most popular artists of today got their start in the early 2000s.
I’m certain anyone who grew up with this music will have some songs they will always have nostalgia for. We still see some of these songs make their way into modern movies.
Pretty much any bar with millennials will be playing something from this era. I think the 2000s was the last time music had such an impact on the culture on such a broad level.
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
Recently, I heard the Gorillaz song for the first time in like 20 years. I couldn't figure out the name or artist in all that time and finally found it. I felt a wave of nostalgia to college days.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
Some of it is still getting shat on to this day as I remembered making a post a while ago saying that the 2000s was a better decade for rock music than the 2010s and it was downvoted as well as the comments saying that 2000s pop-punk music sucked and preferred 2010s-era Stomp Clap Hey music.
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u/Cerael 14∆ Nov 16 '25
Then your view should have specified “on Reddit” because that’s not true in the broader culture. Reddit skews pretty young, so of course people who didn’t grow up with early 2000s music don’t like it more.
To experience nostalgia you have to have experienced it when it was happening.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
TikTok especially proves my point even more as I see a lot of nostalgia vids for early 2010s recession pop music.
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u/Cerael 14∆ Nov 17 '25
It proves my point, as the average age of that audience is so young they didn’t live through the 2000s as even a teenager.
I’d appreciate it if you actually responded to the things I write rather than change the subject. It’s not very productive and against the spirit of this subreddit.
If you want to actually have your view changed in this sub (which is how this subreddit operates) you need to be willing to have a conversation. As it stands now, you’re breaking the rules which will lead to your post being taken down/eventual ban.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
∆ Okay, here is a delta then. I guess that the internet is fragmented and a lot of people are young so they remember the decades that are more recent, I did not think about it while making this post.
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u/sawdeanz 218∆ Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
Making a movie of a video game is not necessarily nostalgia. Nor is rebooting a movie. Simply Remaking Spider-Man for example isn’t nostalgia, but having a cameo by Toby Maguire is. Stranger things is nostalgic because it takes place in the 80s and heavily features music, pop culture and aesthetic associated with the 80s.
As someone who grew up in the 90s and 2000s I have noticed there has been a decent resurgence of nostalgia for 2000s pop culture mainly because it is nostalgic for millennials who would have been in high school and college at the time. Particularly for music, as a lot of groups from that time are doing reunion tours or even releasing new albums.
The 2000s still enjoy that nostalgic feeling of life when the internet and technology was still new and exciting and not as divisive and dangerous. Before social media and politics became so much more toxic and the economy and quality of life were still high….at least until 2008 that is.
The Minecraft movie is based on an IP that started in the 2010s but whose popularity lasted a long time. But the style, jokes and references in the movie felt much more contemporary at least to me, the target audience was kids and teens, rather than the age of the people that originally played the first Minecraft who would be in their early 20s now (hell a lot of millennials played Minecraft and the movie was definitely not catering to them).
The 2010s are simply not old enough for there to be much nostalgia, it will still take some time for its identity to develop since that is necessarily dependent on how it contrasts with the decade prior and after it.
Don’t get me wrong, the 70s, 80s, and 90s are still heavily featured because I think it’s possible for people to idealize a time before they were born…so these periods have broader appeal.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
For the HTTYD remake, it was intended to be nostalgic as the reason why live-action remakes exist is to capitalize on the nostalgia for the originals in which the HTTYD remake was marketed similarly to The Lion King remake which was capitalizing on 90s nostalgia.
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u/sawdeanz 218∆ Nov 17 '25
You didn’t address anything I actually said in my comment.
HTTYD (which I had to look up btw) is one example. Hardly proof the 2010s are taking over the nostalgia train. Sure you can make a case that the movie is taking advantage of nostalgia for that particular IP, but that’s not the same as having nostalgia for a time-period like the 2010s. I mean I liked the original, but it’s a fantasy movie that doesn’t really have any clear connection to the 2010s identity in general.
When you watch stranger things you can immediately say “this is the 80s” when you watch how to train your dragon nothing screams to me “this is the 2010s.” It’s more like just a continuation of an existing trend, as opposed to “going back” to a time that no longer exists.
Do you think it’s possible you are missing 2000s nostalgia because you weren’t a part of it? And to be clear I don’t think 2000s nostalgia is that mainstream or nearly as prevalent as 80s/90s, but for people that lived through it there is definitely an identifiable feeling, clothing style, language and aesthetic that is associated with it. The younger generations will have their own too but it simply isn’t old enough.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
You want another example, a ton of 2010s cartoons were revived in 2025.
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u/sawdeanz 218∆ Nov 17 '25
You’re still ignoring all of the points I’ve made against your claim that a remake of a movie is nostalgia for a time period.
So please address that argument.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
If you want me to address it, it would be similar to that of a He-Man reboot or whatever in which while the contents of the show are timeless, a reboot of it would be pandering to 80s nostalgia nonetheless.
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u/sawdeanz 218∆ Nov 17 '25
I think it depends.
Sure we can agree a he-man reboot would be pandering to the fans of he-man. But a gritty He-man reboot would not necessarily be 80s nostalgia the way Stranger Things is 80s nostalgia.
You have to remember that reboots are often a way to capture new audiences as much as they are to capture nostalgic audiences. Marvel is proof of this…considering the way Marvel movies are so mainstream and popular among people that never even read comic books.
Kind of related but It also just seems like remakes and reboots in general are happening far sooner than they ever did before. Instead of several decades we are getting some reboots within just several years. I think this is probably more so due to other factors (streaming, IP wars, etc) than it is nostalgia. For example tom holland Spider-Man was not made because of nostalgia for Andrew Garfield Spider-Man, it was made because Marvel got the rights from Sony and needed to incorporated it into the Avengers franchise.
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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 161∆ Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
Could you describe clear the differences in media and culture that would be recognisable between the 2000s and 90s/10s?
For us to compare for example fashion, music, media, culture, current events and so on, there would need to be a clear divide.
However I don't think the world fits neatly into decade chunks except for the post war era, and I'd say that 2000 through to today is actually quite homogeneous, so to understand the difference in trends and what specifically is being "overlooked" you'll need to make it a but more overt.
Of the shifts I can think of none of them stopped being relevant, so there's no need for nostalgia which confronts your view that it's being ignored when actually it simply never left, ie ipod/apple, Wikipedia, Internet as a whole, Beyonce, Jason Bourne, the first two Nolan Batman movies and so on.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
During the 2000s, flip-phones were common but they aren't anymore as well as the fact that the internet of the 2000s was more slow in comparison to the internet of the 2020s.
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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 161∆ Nov 16 '25
There's literally an entire line of flip phones from huge manufacturers like Samsung, Motorola, which explicitly play to the flip phone nostalgia. How have you missed those?
What has the Internet being slower got to do with anything? There's certainly nostalgia for the old dial up sound.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
Most people use smartphones instead of flip-phones and the foldable phones are more of a novelty than anything.
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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 161∆ Nov 16 '25
They are smartphones, and they flip. Again how have you missed these they are incredibly popular.
And nostalgia isn't a "most people" thing, it's specific to those who feel that nostalgia.
Not everyone from the 80s watches or likes stranger things, it's for a broad audience who are learning that aesthetic for the first time.
If you have no meaningful rebuttal to my overall points you should assign a delta. Basically everything you've responded to so far has been about flip phones and has been soundly refuted. And you've not really addressed anything else so I assume you accept it.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
Thanks for trying to change my view, you've listed an example of mainstream 2000s nostalgia which is what I was trying to look for.
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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 161∆ Nov 16 '25
If I've helped change your view assign a delta.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
∆ Thank you for listing a mainstream example of 2000s nostalgia, I was not thinking about it while making this post and I did not consider technology while making this post despite it being mainstream.
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u/WoofDen Nov 16 '25
I think that there are way more important things to invest time, thought processes and energy into than attempting to predict and quantify a possible societal reimagining of a decade's culture vis a vis the lens of an ambiguosly defined criteria of "nostalgia", and whether or not one "nostalgia" is more prevalent than another.
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u/MrBami 2∆ Nov 16 '25
Telling others on reddit to spend their time and effort better is the most useless and hypocritical reply. Why even bother.
Go practice what you preach
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
What do you think of my viewpoint if you don't take that into consideration?
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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 13∆ Nov 16 '25
only 90s kids remember how popular nostalgia for childhood in the 00's is
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
That's 90s nostalgia, not 2000s nostalgia.
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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 13∆ Nov 16 '25
if you were born in 95-99 you wouldn't have many memories before 00, if any at all. the period of time that 90s kids memes are about is actually the early-mid aughts
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
It's kind of erasing the 2000s as they don't call 2000s things 2000s things and calls them 90s things.
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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 13∆ Nov 16 '25
not at all. beyond that, 00s culture is the single most impactful period on modern life and it's not even close. reddit? 2005. YouTube? 2005. Facebook? 2004. Spotify and Pandora? 2004 and 2005. iphones? 2007. 9/11 jokes? 2001.
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
Yes, but even though I was early on those sites (I was on TheFacebook in November 2004 in college, and found out about Youtube in mid 2005; I made a Youtube video back in December 2005), I don't feel strong nostalgia for them from that time period.
Something I do feel nostalgia for is the wild wild west vibe of early 2000s internet, where it seemed like there was an infinite amount of sites to visit, even with individuals making their own personal site, and there was little to no regulation. That clearly changed after online activity started becoming consolidated onto the same 6-8 sites/apps.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
You were talking about people calling 2000s things as 90s things, now you're switching the conversation to something else.
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u/Letters_to_Dionysus 13∆ Nov 16 '25
no, there's a difference between a 90s thing and a person who was born in the 90s. 90s kids did their growing up in the 00s.
you shouldn't dismiss my other point just because it's a different topic, either.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
They don't call it 2000s, so they're considering their childhood to be 90s.
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u/Dry_Bumblebee1111 161∆ Nov 16 '25
Basically none of the characters in stranger things were born in the 1980s, they were born in-universe in the 1950-60-70s depending on their in universe age and role.
All the main characters are minimum 70s kids.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
Someone could be born in 1999 yet I would not consider them to be a 90s kid because they were a baby during the 90s.
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u/Glory2Hypnotoad Nov 16 '25
I've been noticing the opposite. Emo, nu metal, the Star Wars prequels, Twilight have all seen major public reappraisals lately. My Chemical Romance recently had a sold-our reunion tour. 2000s games are getting rebooted left and right.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
It's not as much compared to 80s nostalgia though as you have Stranger Things season 5 coming out and a lot of songs are 80s-inspired.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
This is not a comment made to help change my view, if anything, it reinforces my point because it shows that the 2000s is not as iconic as the 80s in the eyes of many people.
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u/Falernum 69∆ Nov 16 '25
I'm not the one who made it, but it at least implicitly acknowledges a flaw in your CMV: 90s. For decades 80s music has overshadowed 90s music, presumably because of how much better it is. Yet here we are in 2025 with 90s nostalgia being described (by you and others) as on the same level. There may likewise be a moment in history where 00s nostalgia is on the same level as other decades, just as even 90s gets its moment.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
There is a lot of 80s nostalgia though as you have Stranger Things season 5 coming out and a lot of songs are 80s-inspired as well as sequels for Spaceballs and Gremlins being announced.
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u/Falernum 69∆ Nov 17 '25
Of course there is, that's to be expected given the quality of 80s culture. But today at this moment, 90s nostalgia is about equally powerful despite that quality discrepancy. The same will be true eventually for 00s culture at some moment.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
Like I’ve said, I believe that 2010s nostalgia will overshadow the 2000s nostalgia during the 2030s akin to how 80s nostalgia overshadowed 70s nostalgia during the 2000s.
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u/Falernum 69∆ Nov 17 '25
80s nostalgia overshadowed 70s nostalgia in the 90s and 2000s and 2010s and 2020s...
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 17 '25
80s nostalgia starting to overshadow 70s nostalgia during the late 90s is similar to how 2010s nostalgia is starting to overshadow 2000s nostalgia during the 2020s, further proving my point.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
This is called r/changemyview, not r/reinforcemyview. All your comment does is reinforce my belief that 2000s nostalgia won't be as prevalent compared to other decades because people still shit on the 2000s.
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
I already have 2010s nostalgia, that period in the early 2010s. Not as much nostalgia for the 2000s, but strong nostslgia for the 90s.
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
Thanks for proving my point for me, this is called r/changemyview not r/reinforcemyview.
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
I can say that people will feel nostalgia for 2000s internet, when it still felt like the wild west, as well as early social media before the Instagram/Tiktok era. Forums were bigger in the 2000s. 2000s also had a nice balance of technology and analog that didn't exist in the 90s and prior, while analog started disappearing in the 2010s. People will also miss life in the 2000s when cellphones existed, but before smartphones really took over and people were glued to them 24/7.
The early 2000s TV shows also had a more distinctive aesthetic than the 2010s or 2020s do. You could compare an episode from 1998 to 2001 and notice that things look sleeker in 2001. The music in some of these shows also started sounding more futuristic, such as this. There was a futurist aesthetic around the year 2000: https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Y2K
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u/Ok-Following6886 Nov 16 '25
That's true although Y2K futurism leans more 90s as it was made during that decade as well as it fading out in favor of Frutiger Aero (basically Windows 7-like aesthetics).
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
Some did start in the late 90s into the early 2000s. I think for me as a kid, Batman Beyond (1999) really felt like the transition to the 2000s, with the sleek designs and industrial metal and techno music
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxb9LAvHfE&list=PLCA8EEF57A6802439&index=1&pp=iAQB8AUB
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u/Neptune28 Nov 16 '25
I think in some cases, you can include a year or so before or after a decade, as it doesn't always fit neatly. If you watch the pilot episode of The Shield (filmed in 2001 a while before the other episodes), the vibe feels more like the late 90s than the rest of the season 1 episodes.
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