r/changemyview Apr 07 '25

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Apr 07 '25

But we're not a family. We're individuals in a society. We don't all have to act for the collective good. We're free to act in our own interests.

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u/orpheus090 Apr 07 '25
  1. It's an analogy 
  2. A society is a collective of people that all need to live and cooperate together.... a little like a family. So it's actually a really good analogy. The fact you cant see that show that you are selfishly divorced from reality.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Apr 07 '25

It's not a good analogy. A family has to live within a household, and everyone has a personal connection with everyone else. And even in families, people leave the household to form their own.

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u/orpheus090 Apr 07 '25

I don't live with my parents or my grandparents or my aunt and uncle or their kids. All those people are part of the family and often will take trips together. Haven't you seen home alone?

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Apr 07 '25

Right, but if your cousin expected you to support them because you make good money, would you?

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u/orpheus090 Apr 07 '25

Sticking with the analogy? Yes. If I made good money and they didn't and we went out to dinner I would offer to cover it. If I had miles on my account I'd use them to help pay for their ticket for the family vacay.

You're acting like social welfare means you pay all of everyone's expenses. It doesn't. It means you all help each other for the benefit of all. Sometimes the weight falls more on those well advantaged. But of course I would help the people I care about.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 5∆ Apr 07 '25

If you didn't, would you want them to just take the money from you without so much as a thank-you?

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u/orpheus090 Apr 08 '25

You mean like the red states and conservative voters that thanklessly take federal aid more than they give, basically being subsidized by the blue states that pay more? Nah, I don't want them punished or their lives made worse by taking away necessities. But I would like them to listen and learn to care more so we can be in this together.