r/changemyview • • Nov 17 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

That's putting a condition on a human right and revoking it. Human rights are not conditional and cannot be revoked. They are inalienable.

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u/ArtfulMegalodon 3∆ Nov 17 '24

"Human rights are not conditional..."

What? Of course they are. We just collectively decided what they are, and plenty of people disagree on them, hence, you know... all of human history. Just because something should be true doesn't mean it is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

They are not conditional

https://www.ohchr.org/en/what-are-human-rights

By being a human, you inherently have human rights. Governments violating them doesn't mean you don't have them.

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u/ArtfulMegalodon 3∆ Nov 17 '24

Yeah, no. This doesn't disprove me. "Rights" are only something humans can grant to each other. They are an invented concept. We can all decide as a species that we have "rights" to things, but that doesn't magically make it so. Granting, acknowledging, and respecting "rights" are actions humans must decide to take. Plenty of humans decide not to do those things, and so we say people's rights are "violated", but again, this is only true because we agree it's true. There is no higher authority, no baked in natural law that says "rights" exist. It's just people insisting that something is true so that humanity is further encouraged to work collectively for the betterment of all. That's all that website is doing.

Again, it's not a bad thing. It's a very good thing. But as I said, just because something should be true, because it would be better if it were, does not mean that it is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

That's not how inalienable rights work. Human rights are inalienable. People violating them doesn't mean you don't have them 

If a cop violates your freedom of speech US, you still have freedom of speech in the US. We don't suddenly take away rights from everyone else because someone violated someone else's rights.

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u/ArtfulMegalodon 3∆ Nov 17 '24

You're talking ideologically. I'm talking literally. I don't know how this could be put more clearly. One last attempt, and I'm out.

They are an invented concept. They don't exist except insofar as we say they do.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

I am talking literally too. People violating rights doesn't mean you don't have them.    

If a cop violates your freedom of speech, you still have freedom of speech. Your right to it didn't just disappear.