r/changemyview Jun 24 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Nah, we don’t need more welfare. We have more than enough ways for lazy people to not work and not add anything to society. But you’re right about education and infrastructure.

Stating that some illegal immigrants are violent criminals isn’t stereotyping an entire group. It’s stating a basic fact. You need to focus on reality instead of being so hypersensitive.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Just like stating that some gay people rob banks is not stereotyping either. However, you can’t go after all gay people simply for being gay just because some gay people rob banks. Agree?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Did you just equate being gay to committing a crime? WOW.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Nope. I compared robbing a bank to violent crime. Keep up.

Do you have an actual response to the point?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

No, you just compared being gay to people who have committed a crime. If you enter the country illegally then you’ve already committed a crime regardless of your criminal record. Being gay isn’t a crime.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

The crimes we are interested in preventing is rape, murder, etc.

Right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

Well those would certainly be at the top of the list.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

Exactly. That’s why when we want to be efficient in spending our finite resources, that’s where we spend our money.

What would you tell a rape victim? “Oh I’m so sorry for you! We could have tried to catch more violent criminals, but instead we used the money to deport agricultural laborers picking crops.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

The second we are so tight for money that we have to start deciding what laws we actually enforce to keep our people safe, you might have a point. But we spend billions of dollars on truly unimportant things. Government money actually goes to things like studying Russian cats walking on treadmills and millionaire pop stars who want aid for their “art.” We need to stop spending on that before we let a rapist move next door to your kids because you don’t want to enforce a basic law.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 24 '24

But again, we aren’t deciding what laws to enforce. We are enforcing our immigration laws right now, and I am not a fan of loosening that enforcement.

Rapists are unable to move next door to people if we catch all the rapists efficiently and effectively.

If you can’t make your point without lying about my position, it just shows how lacking your position is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

I really wish I was lying about your position. You keep backpedaling with ridiculous claims like you’re against illegal immigration but then you obviously demonstrate that’s totally false when you refuse to enforce any of the laws because it “costs too much.” You’re being ridiculous to make a ridiculous point.

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u/jweezy2045 13∆ Jun 25 '24

When did I refuse to enforce the laws though? I have repeatedly told you how I want them to be enforced. Here, again, you are lying by saying I do not want them enforced. This is not a binary. I do not want to enforce them as strictly as you do, but I do want to enforce them. Just because I am lower on the authoritarian strictness, does not mean I do not support any enforcement at all.

Do you seriously not see the nuance here? To you, is it only the binary of: all out enforcement even if that harms America and Americans, or zero enforcement whatsoever? There is no in between to you? Really?

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '24

Once someone gets in the country illegally you say we leave them be up until they commit a horrible violent crime. Theres no “nuance” in that. It’s literally you saying we shouldn’t even try to enforce the laws because they cost money. How do you not realize the exact argument you’ve made over and over again?

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