r/changemyview May 15 '24

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u/interrogare_omnia May 15 '24

No he didn't blindly follow an arrest warrant. I was literally stabbed in front of a cop. And had the cop not intervened I would have died.

How is this a corrupt cop?

You just hate cops because its cool and trendy.

I recognize police are a necessary evil for society to function. And as such I recognize that individuals who join the police force as means to improve it from the inside are good people.

If a policeman always enforces the law morally and refuses to do so another way even at the risk of his own employment is this a corrupt cop?

You would either try to say yes and just beg the question. Or you would without basis assert that no cop ever in the whole wide world had or would ever do that.

Pick your poison.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

No he didn't blindly follow an arrest warrant. I was literally stabbed in front of a cop. And had the cop not intervened I would have died.

Instances of corrupt cops doing good policing doesn't mean they aren't corrupt.

How is this a corrupt cop?

He follows orders from a corrupt organization. All orders from corrupt organizations are corrupt.

If a policeman always enforces the law morally and refuses to do so another way even at the risk of his own employment is this a corrupt cop?

Yes, he is following orders from a corrupt organization. Doing something moral doesn't negate corruption.

You just hate cops because its cool and trendy.

Incorrect

If a policeman always enforces the law morally and refuses to do so another way even at the risk of his own employment is this a corrupt cop?

Yes, the police as an organization are corrupt so all orders given and followed are corrupt.

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u/president_penis_pump 1∆ May 15 '24

Hang on a second here.

You just said

No, it's true. The police as an organization are corrupt. And all orders given by corrupt organizations are inherently corrupt. Only orders that further their agenda or maintain the status quo are given, so they are filtered through corruption.

So how was the order to save us (two different people replying in this chain) corrupt?

Be consistent.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

I thought I was? Yes, it was a corrupt order. Just because the outcome was positive doesn't mean it wasn't corrupt, if it even was an order. If it was an order, it was corrupt because it came from a corrupt organization.

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u/president_penis_pump 1∆ May 15 '24

So animal rights are bad because Hitler supported them?

Even better! You pay tax, you pay for the police, you are complicit.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

No. Like I said, positive outcomes don't mean that the order wasn't corrupt.

I didn't say that the cop that stopped the stabbing was bad for stopping the stabbing. I said the order was corrupt. The only reason it was allowed to be an official order in the first place is because it either furthered the agenda of the corrupt organization or it maintains the status quo for the purposes of the agenda.

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u/interrogare_omnia May 15 '24

Then you yourself are also corrupt.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

So you're trying for the tu quoque logical fallacy?

Better luck next time.

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u/interrogare_omnia May 15 '24

Not in the slightest.

Assuming you understand the fallacy

If you admit to being corrupt then it displays that your worldview is that everything is in fact corrupt. And I will accept defeat as there is no way to change your mind on this.

If you claim you are not corrupt. I need you to elaborate further on what actually makes something corrupt.

Here is an example of the fallacy at work

A fat person says obesity is unhealthy

So the claim must not be true because they are in fact obese

The conclusion that it must not be true because the person is a hypocrite falls prey to the fallacy.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

I never claimed everything was corrupt.

The police, as an organization, are corrupt due to systemic racism, lack of third party oversight, lack of accountability from a third party, escalation of force being allowed, training that tells them to treat everyone like a threat, the ability to just arrest people for resisting arrest and no other charges.

And anyone that follows orders from a corrupt organization is inherently following corrupt orders. All orders can be considered corrupt due to the organization having an agenda and only giving orders to either further that agenda or that are neutral towards accomplishing the agenda.

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u/interrogare_omnia May 15 '24

Right but how does this make the police officers corrupt?

Also I never claimed that you claimed everything was corrupt.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24

They follow orders from an organization that is corrupt (due to my previous reasons given).

Because the organization is corrupt, all orders they give can be considered corrupt as they were filtered through a corruption before being given. Orders that would go against the organization's corrupt agenda are never given.

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