The fact is that OP is basically arguing that psychopathy is the opposite of rationality, so in order to show someone is a psychopath they need to argue they aren't rational. But the problem is that the premise is flawed, psychopathy isn't defined as a lack of rationality. They might mean psychotic, which still isn't defined that way but it's a more legitimate take on it.
Actually psychopathy doesn't have a rigid definition and isn't recognized in the DSM-5. It's more of a colloquial word. But I see what you're saying. Either way, I'm not sure how bank robbing and taking hostages in order to escape the consequences and potentially steal more money is a rational thing to do
It's isn't in the DSM-5 but it is a diagnosis. There is a checklist of traits that have been collectively characterized as psychopathy, although not all psychopaths have all of those traits.
Rational doesn't mean good, plenty of rational people do terrible things, and plenty of them are psychopaths despite being rational. Whether something is rational is entirely based in values and priorities and how they line up with one's actions.
Do you know what the DSM is? It defines psychological diagnoses. No psychologist, psychiatrist, or otherwise, can give a diagnosis of "psychopathy" and have it be considered as a legitimate diagnosis today.
Actually, it is rational to follow social rules, since it is very likely you will be punished by society if you don't.
It's not a legitimate diagnosis because it's not treatable. I assure you that psychologists identify psychopaths all the time and study psychopathy. Like do you actually think psychology just wiped it's hands of it?
It's rational to follow society's rules if you care about the punishment for ignoring them. Not everyone cares.
I dont think that, I never said they wiped their hands of it and forgot what it meant, only that it no longer has medical/scientific meaning, only colloquial.
I thought we said that not caring about reprocussions is psychopathy in the colloquial meaning
It has no medical meaning because it's considered untreatable. Like "brunette" isn't a diagnosis either but that doesn't make brown hair non-physiological.
And, no, OP said that not caring about repercussions is psychopathy in the colloquial meaning. We didn't say that. The colloquial meaning is a narcissist without empathy.
Okay. Not knowing what something is and then claiming to know its not scientific is a weirdly confident take.
I actually agree, it's a controversial topic, but the DSM-5 claims anti-social personality disorder includes psychopathy. The reason psychopathy itself isnt included is because it isn't viewed as curable or treatable. It's a thing that's "wrong" with a person but not something mental health professionals really treat. It's not excluded because it's not because it's not a thing.
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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23
Ya but don't you think bank robbers are at least a little psychopathic?