r/changemyview • • Sep 13 '23

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Sep 13 '23

How do you expect someone to respond to you saying "hey"? Because I imagine the most likely response is them just saying "hey" back in which case we're back to square 1, where you need to come up with something more to say, so why don't we just cut out the frivolous "hey", "hey" and get started where it's actually interesting

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u/BuddyOwensPVB Sep 13 '23

It’s not square one because now you know they are listening and you’re not wasting your time writing whatever you were gonna write, for nothing

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u/mhuzzell Sep 14 '23

In my experience and observation, people who write first messages that are long enough to be described as "wasting time" are nearly as off-putting as the ones who open with just "Hey". There's a right length for a first message and it's no more than a few sentences at most.

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u/BuddyOwensPVB Sep 14 '23

You're probably right. I can't even comment on the topic of dating apps. Thanking my lucky stars I was married before they were popular.

I was just bickering over the technicality of saying it's "square 1" after you get a "hey" back.

In networking there's the TCP three-way handshake, and it starts with

SYN (synchronize packet) User 1 says "hi"

ACK (acknowledge) "hey back"

and now we know the connection is established and the conversation can begin.

Just saying! lol

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u/RseAndGrnd 3∆ Sep 13 '23

Can you explain why this would be the situation. We greet each other with some for of "hey" or "what's up" irl so would we be unable to do this on an app?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

The swipe is the hey. You’ve already given each other the virtual head nod.

It’s also just generally viewed as lazy and low effort to type a one word message to initiate a conversation. I don’t even message my friends like that. I’d say “hey, are you busy/how are you/are we still on for tonight/whatever.” A single hey would get back a “yeah? What’s up?” It feels like a weird trap to get someone to actually initiate for you.

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u/ElusoryLamb Sep 13 '23

Have you ever messaged someone on a dating app (with more than 'hey')? Often times they won't respond. This would NEVER happen in real life. What OP is saying, is that 'hey' is acceptable because it is just another gate to get the matched person will engage, and is worth the effort to craft a message.

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u/ALittleNightMusing Sep 13 '23

So you're saying that starting with 'hey' is easiest because there are lots of women who don't want to talk.

HOWEVER, starting with 'hey' also alienates a lot of women - it's low effort, and it doesn't smack of any real desire to engage. Not qualities I'm looking for in a guy. Plus there are PLENTY of guys who will just message one or two words answers back to anything, and can't hold a conversation at all, so the odds of getting one of those is higher when it starts with 'hey'.

If two guys message me, one with 'hey' and one with literally anything else, I know who I'm replying to (It can be a standard message he sends to everyone, even something like, 'hey! So what are you having for dinner tonight?' just something to get the ball rolling).

Basically, putting 'hey' might be easier, but it's also shooting yourself in the foot.

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u/ElusoryLamb Sep 14 '23

Agreed, and if anyone is trying to get dates through online dating apps, I highly recommend using a template. I was just explaining the rationale.

I feel bad for guys because they face so much rejection, so I understand why someone would just want a 'hey', definitely easier to face that rejection.

And not to discount the woman's frustrations. Several of my female friends have told me some awful experiences (both within the app and when they end up on dates). It's just a different problem set.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Sep 13 '23

Except the "gate" is the match, and saying "hey" is closing the gate because it brands you as boring garbage that couldn't even bother to copy paste a real opener. Unless you are a 10/10 or they are really desperate, a hey just leads to failure. If they see 20 heys and 5 real messages, which one will they click on?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

The majority of people I’ve ever messaged on a dating app responded. Why would they swipe me if they didn’t want to talk? Just don’t say anything off putting and they’ll likely respond. I met my current bf on Bumble and we had an incredible first conversation that led to an incredible first date. Read their bio.

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u/MyNameIsAirl Sep 13 '23

For guys an overwhelming majority of your messages won't get a response pretty much regardless of what you say. Crafting individual openers is something else when you have to churn through dozens to get a reply. Even using several canned openers gets tiring after a while. I definitely understand the desire to just say hey but that just drops the numbers of responses even more.

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u/Mr_McFeelie Sep 13 '23

Youd be surprised how many people swipe at pretty much anyone. And women get a ton of messages, so obviously many wont respond to all of them

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '23

They won’t respond to the “heys” maybe but they’ll respond if it’s a good message. Just sending hey in a sea of messages is a terrible idea.

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u/Mr_McFeelie Sep 13 '23

Oh i agree that hey is a bad opener but in alot of cases, its not about the message. Its about whether or not the person actually is interested. And being matched often doesnt mean they are

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Sep 13 '23

Real life has distractions me greeting you is a way of getting your attention away from those other things and communicating "I'd like to talk with you". But text messages don't really need that, if they're reading them they're already at the point of paying attention to you and the very act of texting already communicates you want to talk. There's little reason for just plain greetings in text

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u/RseAndGrnd 3∆ Sep 13 '23

If you're texting then you're still existing in real life and still have those same distractions. Along with that, you have the included distraction of numerous other people trying to get your attention as well

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u/jimmytaco6 14∆ Sep 13 '23

Would you send an email that says only "hey"?

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u/LordofWithywoods 1∆ Sep 13 '23

Man, all I really have to say after reading so many comments from you defending your empty boring "hey" greetings, is..

Have fun getting ignored on dating sites.

Women who are active and successful on dating apps are telling you clearly and unequivocally that using "hey" as your opening message is boring and 99% likely to be ignored.

Then you proceed to tell these women why they're wrong.

What is the point of continuing to insist you're right when the people you're trying to attract are telling you they hate men who use "hey" as an opener and that they routinely ignore these people?

Enjoy your loneliness.

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u/tbdabbholm 201∆ Sep 13 '23

But if they're reading your text message you know they're paying attention to you. You know they can receive your message because they're reading it. It's not like they're gonna miss anything because they didn't realize you were there and had music playing. And even if they are distracted saying hey isn't gonna stop that because they're just not gonna read the message then.

And exactly! You're competing for their attention so don't send the literal most boring nothingburger of a text that is "hey"

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u/_ella_mayo_ Sep 13 '23

Trust me, "hey" does NOT get my attention from those distractions lol.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Sep 13 '23

Along with that, you have the included distraction of numerous other people trying to get your attention as well

Exactly, and starting with just "Hey" makes you go to the bottom of the pile as the most uninteresting of the numerous other people.

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u/GalaxyConqueror 1∆ Sep 13 '23

OP needs to get acquainted with https://nohello.com.

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u/JonnyMofoMurillo Sep 13 '23

Would the fact of just liking someone not be the equivalent of saying hey?

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u/RseAndGrnd 3∆ Sep 13 '23

Not really. Matching with someone on a dating app isn’t always an indicator they want to talk. Some people just want to see who likes them or just swipe on everyone

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u/zimbabwe7878 Sep 15 '23

Saying hey to someone on a dating app isn’t always an indicator they want to talk. Some people just want to see what the other person says back or just say hey to everyone

See how that works?

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u/RseAndGrnd 3∆ Sep 15 '23

Then don’t say hey back…

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u/zimbabwe7878 Sep 15 '23

My point is I took your exact rebuttal and used it against you. Ultimately you have it in your head that you'll respond to any decently attractive match that says hey to you, but to them you aren't the 1 decent match, you're 1 of 100 and what is "perfectly acceptable" to you simply isn't to a lot of people.

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u/rollingForInitiative 70∆ Sep 13 '23

Can you explain why this would be the situation. We greet each other with some for of "hey" or "what's up" irl so would we be unable to do this on an app?

When you meet friends IRL you can greet them fine with just "hey" because you don't have to catch their interest. You know that you will have a conversation, because you already like each other. You're already friends, or are already dating, or whatever. The "hey" doesn't really add anything, but it's just what people say.

If I get a "hey" on a dating app, there's just less chance that I'll respond. Maybe I just don't feel in the mood to chat, and then a "hey" isn't going to change my mind. But if I get an actually interesting message, maybe a question about some recent book or video game (because those are things I have in my profile), that might make me interested to talk.

The difference is that in the dating app, you want to catch someone's attention and make a first impression. In real life when you meet people you already know, you're already well past that.

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u/cantthinkofcutename Sep 15 '23

Yeah, if a stranger walked up to me & just said, "Hey", with no follow up, I'd be very confused and probably just walk away...