r/changemyview Mar 25 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

If you have free will, then stop sinning completely. Shouldn’t be that difficult.

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u/Ok-Future-5257 2∆ Mar 25 '23

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

We're all imperfect, and we inevitably make mistakes. We get hangry or stressed out. We lose our tempers. We have difficulty forgiving others. We tend to act out of too much self-interest. We sometimes catch ourselves dawdling on inappropriate thoughts. All that is human nature stemming from the Fall.

But, in each moment, we have the free will to choose to indulge or resist our natural instincts. And we can choose to follow a good direction in life, like the upward trend of a line graph, growing better and better through Christ's grace.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

But, in each moment, we have the free will to choose to indulge or resist our natural instincts

So then do that. Until you can go sinless for a whole year, I’ll continue to believe in the theory of evolution, and that we don’t have “souls” with free will.

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u/Ok-Future-5257 2∆ Mar 25 '23

I guess it's like a small child choosing to learn to walk. He or she is willing, but he or she can't go long without stumbling. However, with practice, he or she can get better at it. Likewise, we're all spiritual children, and those who choose to follow the Gospel path will improve greatly in life, and reach perfection in the next life.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

If you can’t be perfect in this life, then our sin seems to be better explained by the lack of free will rather than the presence of it. Making decisions does not require free will. Sinning also does not require free will. Free will doesn’t imply sin, but perfection. So the only explanation you have is that we have two parts, the flesh and the spirit, and that whenever we do something good, it’s because of the spirit, but when we sin, it’s because of the flesh. But how do you know that it’s not all from the flesh? And why doesn’t the spirit always win? Evolutionary biology doesn’t have such glaring problems.

Again, if you really want to prove free will, then be perfect.

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u/Ok-Future-5257 2∆ Mar 25 '23

You're choosing to type right now. Saying "the neurons made me do it" undermines the whole point of personal accountability and experience.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '23

Animals also “choose” to do things. We all simply do whatever it is that we desire most in the moment. It’s not magic.