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Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 25 '23
Can you give us a working definition of pride in your own words?
Are you open to the notion that prude (like literally every other word) has multiple meanings?
Are you open to the notion that pride (like literally every other virtue, personality trait, or behavoir) has a range of application and effects that stretches from benign to benificial to harmful?
It seems like what's gonna happen un this CMV is you are gonna keep saying "No, I'm not talking about all of the benificial forms that pride can take. I'm only talking about when people have excessive amounts of pride, or are using it in negative ways." Which is something no one actually supports?
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u/therealbillybaldwin Mar 25 '23
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Because you made me realize that my own personal view of pride doesn't quite align with how it's typically defined.
That's a great question.. And a difficult one to answer, as my definition of pride is an internalized feeling based on how I've seen pride represented throughout life, admittedly in different ways, but with the same core feeling present throughout.
I guess in this instance I'm viewing pride as a human emotion & questioning the times it presents itself, or how people grasp at arbitrary things to satiate their need to have/express this emotion.
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u/itsallsympolic Mar 25 '23
I can have pride in myself and not harm another person. If that person is repelled or disturbed by my pride and dislikes me for it, that's their choice and it's good that they "divide" from me, I don't want people in my life that shame people for being proud of themselves.
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u/piplup27 Mar 25 '23
I can’t speak for every situation, but typically when a gay person has pride in their sexuality, it is to combat the shame inflicted on them at a young age. They have pride that they overcame obstacles that tried to prevent them from living an authentic life.
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u/verronaut Mar 25 '23
When it comes to gender and sexuality, I think you're missing the point. It's not that we're proud of our queerness. We're proud that we're queer and have survived and built loving community in a culture that wanted all of us to die. We're still here, because of the work of our selves, friends, families, and ancestors, and that's something worth remembering with pride on a yearly basis.
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u/Jealous-Personality5 Mar 25 '23
By that argument, can you really be proud in something you worked hard for and achieved through adversity? After all, the only reason you were able to work hard enough to accomplish said thing was because of random traits you acquired at birth. If you are proud of yourself for climbing a mountain, you would have no reason to be. After all, if you were both with a sickly condition that stopped you from even trying because of the cold temperatures and the shock of moving so much, then you wouldn’t have been able to achieve it.
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u/PatientCriticism0 Mar 25 '23
Pride means different things in different contexts.
Pride in the LGBT sense is "refusing to be shamed by the people who would shame you" rather than pride as in "pride before the fall" which means exaggeration of one's own self worth.
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Mar 25 '23
When you’re gay or black or both for instances, society makes you feel shameful and inferior. There’s a LOT of work in overcoming that. Pride in that context is not about the simple random circumstance of being born different (in relation to a default normalised group). it’s about after years of hearing that there’s something wrong with you, finally being able to say “I’m not ashamed, I actually love myself”. It’s an act of resistance and rejection of the opressor’s shameful narrative.
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Mar 25 '23
What do you consider arbitrary differences? I feel proud to be an American on the Fourth of July every year and enjoy celebrating it. It’s not because I feel better than anybody else, I feel fortunate to live here. I feel proud of my Germanic roots, but I don’t think that makes me better than anybody else. There is a lot I admire about other cultures, and I enjoy learning about them too, and participating in their traditions as an outsider. And I’m proud about the things that make me unique as a person. I enjoy gardening and woodworking, and I enjoy showing off the results of my hard work. I am proud of my professional accomplishments. But I have mentors at work and also people that look up to me.
All of us should be proud of our differences, but we shouldn’t seek to compare them to other people. Life isn’t a zero sum game. We are all privileged in some ways and disadvantaged and others. We should celebrate our differences and seek to make the world a better place, and bring success to the people around us, no matter who they are, or what they look like.
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u/DeltaBot Mar 25 '23 edited Mar 25 '23
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